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    Got pulled - need some advice

    So, driving at 10 last night on my way to pick my son up, the car in front was driving between 20 and 30mph, after 3-4 miles I had had enough, so at a convenient spot I passed him and continued my journey at 30mph.

    Before I went passed I made sure the cyclist coming the other way was well clear, there was no cars coming in the opposite direction, there were no cars in front, no pedestrians or cyclists, no turnings for cars to pull out from, the road was well lit, no solid white line, there was a grave yard to the right and a grass verge then a small lane before some houses set back from the lane. I had even considered the roundabout at the end of the road and that I could get passed the car, pull in and brake for the roundabout without causing any inconvenience to the other driver.

    The only other car on the road was a pair of headlights in the distance behind me which turned out to be a police car.

    So a short distance after I had gone round the round about a car flys up behind me and sits close to my bumper, my first thought was it was the guy I had passed wanted to challenge my Golf R but I stuck to the limit, at the next set of lights I could see the POLICE on the bonnet. Shortly after he pulled me.

    After explaining that he had pulled me for overtaking he said 'your only saving grace was you continued at the correct speed' at which point I thought I'd got away with it.

    He then um'd and er'd and said he wasnt sure what to do about it, then said if the car I passed and which he also passed made a complaint and he had not done anything it would not look good so he gave me a ticket for 'driving without reasonable consideration for others'

    Personally, I dont see what I did as un reasonable or would cause the other driver to complain, but for him to catch me in the time he did he must of flown passed to other car with no blues and twos and must have cut him up on the roundabout which he may complain about.

    The ticket has no explanation for the reason he pulled me other than a code RT88376 and wording 'Drive without reasonable consideration for others' so how would a court or the person assessing if I will get a driving coarse, fine or court hearing know what the circumstances are, the car was basic focus panda, not a traffic car and he did not offer to show me any recording of what I had done (although I did not ask either).

    He also explained that they may decide not to do anything and the ticket could get thrown out.

    So do you think I need to worry, he is basically doing me for careless driving which is could entail a hefty fine and up to 9 points

    Is there some new law that says you are no longer allowed to overtake a slow moving vehicle?
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    Sounds like a bit of a non-offence. You're well within your right to overtake if safe to do so and that you don't cause another driver to take evasive action, which given your account it sounds you were perfectly fine to do. It's good that you kept such a good record, shows you were paying suitable attention.

    If they decide to charge you the first thing I'd ask for is evidence. If they have video footage they should've offered to show you there and then, which suggests they don't. Was this guy on his own?

    I'd definitely fight it.
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    I'm sure I'll get corrected but those panda cars probably won't have any recording equipment, so absolutely no proof. By the sounds of it he was bored/new to the force and just covering his backside. They usually slap you with a section 59 which is a blank "I'm a copper and I don't need a reason" on the spot ticket and a fine.

    If there is a complaint, he can say he's pulled you over for a chat and that's that, I wouldn't worry.

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    Was the copper on he's own?
    Did he have video evidence?

    If the answer is yes and no I wouldn't worry about it, as it's he's word against yours and we all know the police can't be trusted.
    To be honest I would of waited for the bike to go passed myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogma View Post
    Was the copper on he's own?
    Did he have video evidence?

    If the answer is yes and no I wouldn't worry about it, as it's he's word against yours and we all know the police can't be trusted.
    To be honest I would of waited for the bike to go passed myself.
    Yes he was on his own and I didnt see any video equipment in the car nor was I offered to see any, the only camera I saw was on his uniform which I guess was in case I assaulted him

    and I did wait till the bike was clear


    Thanks for the replies, fingers crossed
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    its thing like this make me think a dash cam may be a good investment.
    i cant see you were "driving without reasonable consideration for others" id definatly fight it

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    Personally I would ask to see any evidence they may have, that's even if you recieve anything through the post.
    I'm not sure when it became illegal to overtake and given your account, it sounds perfectly reasonable to have done so.

    As Stu says, it could be worthwhile having a camera in your car. The amount of miles I travel on the A12 each day and since my car was hit whilst parked, I have one in my daily A4
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    Quote Originally Posted by odub View Post
    As Stu says, it could be worthwhile having a camera in your car. The amount of miles I travel on the A12 each day and since my car was hit whilst parked, I have one in my daily A4
    ^^ definitely. I'm looking to get one in my new daily. Not sure which to go for but anything that is of sufficient quality to use as evidence is a good idea IMO.
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    Have been thinking about getting one, definitely seems like it could be a good investment
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    Unfortunately there has been a lot of clarification from the police in recent years to point out that the speed limit still applies even when overtaking. But it sounds a bit waffly to me and I am not sure you're going to get anything from this. It's not "driving without due care and attention", that's a serious offence. The other one he's ticketed you for is probably fixed penalty.


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