Replacement Fuel Pump - VR6, 2015 and onwards

[Cressa 36]

Suddenly I'm glad I bought a Lucas one, instead of the VDO I was going to wait for.

[fendervg 24]

1 hour ago, ABV-VR6 said:

That's my conclusion as well... These are old, I'm not sure if VDO made them recently either... 

With your story, it confirms it. The nozzle and the screw areas are classics breaking point. You must have been surprised and very disappointed when that happened to you... 

I think in conclusion, I won't aim for r OEM replacement on that specific part, they didn't aged well. 

Yeah, it was a pain when it happened as I had no pump at all - and when something like that happens, it can be hard proving that it wasn't your fault - but luckily I've been doing business with that particular parts specialist for years and several different cars, so they trusted me and were happy to replace FOC. Even when I've had dodgy parts with no return possible, they have sold me a replacement at cost.

[daves16v 1]

Soon after I bought my VDO pump from a seller on ebay a chap called Ian on the Facebook group bought the same item from the same seller. He had exactly the same cracking on the body so sent his back too. He then contacted VDO Birmingham who sent out a pump, this was cracked too and he's returned that one. I queried the item bought from the ebay seller and the best they could say is that maybe the screws had been over-torqued at the factory.

The pump housing in my car is fairly old but hasn't suffered from any cracks, see photos, looks to me that the area around the screw mounts has been thickened to prevent cracking, maybe this isn't a VDO housing. Maybe fitting the VDO pump into another housing is the solution? I've looked around for a 4 bar pump that I can fit in my housing but most seem to be 3 bar.

Anyway my car is stood doing nothing at the moment so short term I'm going to buy the 4 bar unit from Heritage - https://www.heritagepartscentre.com/uk/1h0919651q-fuel-pump-with-housing-for-g60-and-vr6.html Longer term I may look into using the Walbro pump that I've seen other use and I believe Stealth recommend or they did at some point.

[Cressa 36]

I'm not a fan of JP group products personally. 

Lucas have been doing electrical products forever and have always been a top brand. Just a suggestion 😇

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234630565376?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=yi1ojZncSxy&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=SuQ1hX6ZSQa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[twinbeltg60 1]

Hello, 

Just so you are aware the picture on Heritage Parts site shows a Unit with Screws holding the halves together, but this is different to the picture shown on JP Parts Website for 1H0919651Q, which I attach, the JP own parts website pictured item has no screws , the halves clip together 9

As an aside, has anyone ever traced the "FORST" supplier Heritage suggest they use?, I have never found that company on any web search.

Cheers.

[daves16v 1]

Cressa, I did see this listing as I know you have suggested Lucas before but it doesn't mention the operating pressure.

 

 

 

[Cressa 36]

19 minutes ago, daves16v said:

Cressa, I did see this listing as I know you have suggested Lucas before but it doesn't mention the operating pressure.

 

 

 

I messaged to confirm and it is a 4 bar pump. Perfect for my VR and works a treat. This and a one way valve in line solved my hit start issue too

[daves16v 1]

Great, thanks. Do you have a link for the valve?

[daves16v 1]

2 hours ago, twinbeltg60 said:

Hello, 

Just so you are aware the picture on Heritage Parts site shows a Unit with Screws holding the halves together, but this is different to the picture shown on JP Parts Website for 1H0919651Q, which I attach, the JP own parts website pictured item has no screws , the halves clip together 9

As an aside, has anyone ever traced the "FORST" supplier Heritage suggest they use?, I have never found that company on any web search.

Cheers.

That pump is the 3 bar version, the 4 bar version is as per the Heritage site.

https://www.jpproducts.uk/products/fuel-pump-with-housing-1h0919651q-1h0919051ah-1h0919651q.html

https://www.jpproducts.uk/products/fuel-pump-with-housing-1h0919651p-1001736-1028808-1047280-1h0919051-1h0919051ak-1h0919651k.html

Edited Sunday at 05:23 PM by daves16v

[Cressa 36]

1 hour ago, daves16v said:

Great, thanks. Do you have a link for the valve?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131628033416?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=UTSXzBEVT-m&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=SuQ1hX6ZSQa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY lots available from different sellers. Different colours too 👍

[twinbeltg60 1]

4 hours ago, daves16v said:

That pump is the 3 bar version, the 4 bar version is as per the Heritage site.

https://www.jpproducts.uk/products/fuel-pump-with-housing-1h0919651q-1h0919051ah-1h0919651q.html

https://www.jpproducts.uk/products/fuel-pump-with-housing-1h0919651p-1001736-1028808-1047280-1h0919051-1h0919051ak-1h0919651k.html

Hmmm...don't know how I got that mixed up, i looked on the JP Classic Site, but hey ho, I sit corrected !

Good luck to anyone buying any of these manufacturers pumps, its hobson's choice.

Cheers.

 

[fendervg 24]

10 hours ago, twinbeltg60 said:

Hmmm...don't know how I got that mixed up, i looked on the JP Classic Site, but hey ho, I sit corrected !

Good luck to anyone buying any of these manufacturers pumps, its hobson's choice.

Cheers.

 

I think there are very few 4 bar pumps out there - nearly all sites list the 3 bar pumps as being suitable for all VR6 engines, AAA/ABV/1.8/2.9 - I've never tried it to see what happens - you could probably either change the FPR, or hope the 4 bar regulator lets the pressure build up.  It's also possible to buy individual motorsport pumps of the right output, and there are billet mounting plates available that can fit onto the grooves in the tank floor if you want to go down that route - it's a bit more expensive, but hey, the price of a new VDO that may or may not be past its sell by date isn't cheap either!

[twinbeltg60 1]

Update, as I would have had to remove my "NOS", from about 2006 VDO Pump I mentioned I installed 18+ months ago to replace the fuel hoses (which I did change at the time , but stupid me, used the wrong hose, needs to be Submersible type, which I have now got Cohline 2190), it was just as well I did.

The couple of small cracks noticed before install had spread like cancer, and given time probably the whole top cap would have broken apart, only the swirlpot top, where the return nozzle  is affected, all the rest is fine, so its probably a different crappy plastic.

See attached pictures, to me this evidence that the VOO NOS items, are probably not worth the risk, as even if the cracks are not there to start with, they could start sometime later.

The Pump itself is ok, I have taken the unit apart completely to clean the filters, I obviously need to remove the old fuel (car has not been driven in 10+ years, has been started many times, but always on a low tank, and the fuel is now pretty horrible.!

I may buy the JP Pump, and see if i can swap my VDO Pump into the JP casing, I would then have a spare pump.

[daves16v 1]

Crikey that's bad! Had to have another look at the top cap on the one I have just for piece of mind and it's all good.

I've ordered the 4 bar JP pump today for delivery tomorrow and like you I'm going get hold of another pump to fit in the spare housing I now have. I'll report back with my findings and some photos so you can make your own mind up on the JP pump.

I didn't go with the Lucas pump as it seems too cheap.

[_Matt_ 20]

Just a thought after silently reading this thread. If you're buying pumps and casings to separate is it worth sourcing a 2nd hand original mk3 golf pump assembly and swapping in the 4bar vdo pump?

 

Assume this issue is because the NOS stuff has been made from inferior plastic whereas the originals are made out of better plastic and assume are going to be better than jp group casings.

 

I'm only thinking this as the pump i removed from my mk3 and now reinstalled so can't photo it looked the same as my corrado from memory except it is 3 bar.

 

I could be wrong about casings but thought it worth mentioning as mk3 pumps can be had for not a lot of money.

 

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