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Ok.. in response to comments in yet another exhaust thread, this is going to be the all new conclusive exhaust discussion. I'd prefer if it DIDNT become a flame war as occasionally seems to happen in these threads (especially over Milltek systems) so just - be normal. I'll kick it off! I might also turn this into a poll to find out what people have once I get a few manufacturers together..? Anyway..

 

Car: Corrado G60

Exhaust: Magnex CAT back system w/ oval tailpipe

Opinion: Quality was superb.. no signs of any kind of knocking - fit appeared to be very good with no signs of leaking after 30,000 miles of service and no obvious damage or corroding on the stainless steel. Only problem was passengers always complained that the exhaust was exceptionally boomy if sitting in the back seats.

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Ok get this over with quickly shall we?

 

Corrado VR6

Genuine VW Exhaust.

Opinion: Original exhaust lasted 8 years, obviously fit+finish are superb (even after 8 years), no clunking, no knocking, no rattles, subtle tone and everything.

 

I replaced it with .. another VW exhaust. £155+VAT from GSF for the centre and rear sections. Had it fitted by a local VW specialist, have had equally few problems with the replacement as with the original. Fitted once, forgotten.

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Heres my overview:

 

Car: G60

Exhaust: Miltek with Cat bypass and JMR hi flow s/s front pipe + ported manifold

Opinion: Very solid system, fits well, nice deep exhaust note that is not too noisy, small warranty issue sorted with no messing around whatsoever, JMR front pipe not cheap but worth every penny

 

As this is the definitive thread can we make sure it doesn't degenerate into another "lets knock other brands" thread that others appear to do

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I'm in agreement with Dr Mat, otherwise SuperSprint gets my vote.

 

Not going anywhere near a Milltek again.

 

Other quality brands (reputedley) are Hayward & Scott, Quicksilver, Sebring, Blue Flame, Tube Torque and shed loads more!

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Milltek - £300 fitted

 

Car: VR6

Exhaust: cat back Milltek s/s system, uprated exhaust hangers added

Opinion: fitted by JMR, can't complain, excellent looks, alot lighter than the original ( I held them both, must be 1/4 of the weight if not less)

 

Also had a Jetex on my MK3 Golf, fitted by Halfords to start with and no end of problems. Was then refitted by a specialist and was perfect and apparently still is 4 years on.

 

It's all in the fitting

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Car: G60

Exhaust: Miltek with Cat bypass fitted by JMR

Opinion: Very solid system, fits well, nice deep exhaust note that is not too noisy on motorway, subtle oval tailpipe, couldn't ask for more!

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Car: 2.0l 16v

Exhaust: Magnex CAT back with Supersprint CAT bypass

Opinion: Once it was fitted properly by Demon Tweeks, its superb. Lovely raspy sound to it, but NOT CHAV like at all. Subtle oval tailpipe. Very pleased, especially when you nail it and at around 4500rpm brings a smile to my face!!

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Car: 2.0 16v

Exhaust: Magnex cat back with oval tail pipe

Opinion: Very nicely made, does not fit perfectly, but better than some other aftermarket exhausts I've had. I don't particularly like the exhaust note, too Mk1 Escort for me, its quite raspy and echoey, but some of my mates really like the sound, so thats just my personal opinion. If I had to replace it I would go for a standard one.

 

:lol: Whilst writing my post Mr Beige posted his and he likes the raspy note - Definately a personal opinion thing.

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Car: 1.8 16v (For another month or two)

Exhaust: Full miltek, oval tail pipe with JMR downpipe & ported exhaust manifold

Opinion: Has never knocked but had an issue with the cat bypass pipe not sealing at the pinch end - sorted with no furthur problems very quickly. I like this exhaust its not intrusive until you boot it and I don't want a system that makes my ears bleed after an hour on the M4! Car also pulls much better from low down thanks to manifold and front pipe.

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Car: G60

Exhaust: stainless steel Scorpion with some home made Cat Bypass all fitted by the previous owner

Opinion: crap crap crap. Rattled, knocked and started melting the baffle box under the back seat.

 

Due to not being able to aford a new system, i chopped it up and open at work (what a crap design they are inside no wonder it was melting) and now i have a custom system and decat, 90% improvement, get 5mpg better fuel also.

Nice tail pipe though

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Car: G60

Exhaust 1: SuperSprint Mega System, Cat back. Sturdy, appeared well made (albeit mild steel). VERY heavy system, which required about 3 hours fitting by specialist. However, very satisfying visually and orally. Went through rubbers like crazy though. Lasted approx 4 years/45,000 miles, then rotted through.

Exhaust 2:Stainless Steel Scorpion, cat back. Looked okay off the body, but fit was worse than terrible. Rattled against rear bumper so badly that after about 2 months had melted the bumper around the surround. Took back to Scorpion and their excuse was that I had some "weird german body kit on the car" Like hell I did!

 

Car: VR6

exhaust Standard VW still. Now consider this is now a 13 year old car, has done 70k miles and STILL has the original exhaust on...

 

So, in conclusion, Heart says go for the SuperSprint, head says stick with the OE VW one. :)

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Car: G60 (late type hangers)

Exhaust: Supersprint with Cat Bypass

Opinion: Great exhaust note, nice oval tail pipe, middle box however split, but Supersprint replaced it under warrenty. Fit was good once fitted properly, even with the car lowered.

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I have a:

VR6

Mongoose cat back

AAS cat pass pipe

 

Mongoose S/S zorst gives a decent note but not loud but bumps off everything so it's sh1t for that and it [email protected] off speed humps and has taken on the same curve of the speed hump it's self!

 

Supersprint gets my vote if your funds extend that far.

 

 

 

Chris

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Car: '92 G60 (J-DUB)

Exhaust: Custom made by JP Exhausts in Macclesfield

Opinion: Fits beautifully, nice and quiet up until 3500rpm when all hell breaks loose until 4500rpm when it goes nice and quiet again (as I requested it to do! ;) ) single round rolled tail pipe as they'd run out of ovals when I got it made... :roll: :lol:

 

Car: '92 G60 (J-DUB after the engine mods)

Exhaust: custom (as above) with JMR/Milltek downpipe and ported manifold

Opinion: Downpipe didn't make any difference to the noise of the system but did appear to help flow considerably

 

Car: '91 G60 (H-YYU)

Exhaust: Milltek full system

Opinion: Oval tail pipe (kinda OEM+) Really like this system... was fitted to the car when I got it, but it sits nicely, is quiet enough when cruising but gives enough growl at 3000ish RPM to let people know that they need to get outta the way! ;) :twisted:

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Car: Golf G60

Exhaust: Supersprint Cat Bypass, Full twin box system, Oval tail pipe.

 

EDIT Added price paid as suggested by coolrado

 

Supersprint Cat Replacment £80.51

Supersprint Centre Exhaust and Front pipe £123.75

Supersprint Backbox 120x80 oval £176.93

 

Total including P&P £394.19

 

Opinion:

 

Fitting: I fitted it myself and found it to fit almost like OE. Needed to turn one of the middle hangers on the car around for perfect fit, it also came with a replacement rear hanger in chrome which was a nice touch.

 

Look: I really like the size of the tail pipe, its kinda smaller than others so in my opinion looks more OE. Also the distance from the end of the back box to the tail pipe is quite far so you cant see any of the back box from the rear of the car.

 

Sound: Its no where near as loud as a Janspeed I had on my Rocco. Its pritty subtle at low revs but give a good noise in high rev's. Juts how you want it! Gets a bit louder with age, think most exhausts do. Would go for the twin silenced like I have if you dont want loud.

 

Performance: I know that supersprint test each application of there exhausts on a Dyno and road test while developing them. This could be just good PR but I don’t think some of the cheaper manufactures do this.

 

Price: They are more expensive than other systems. Especially when you consider that there not completely Stainless Steel.

 

I'd like to try a Miltek system to see what there like as there a little cheaper. But if I had the extra money I would buy Supersprint again.

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car: 91 G60

 

Exhaust: original vw

 

opinion: superb for the age of the system and i recently found out the tail pipe end is stainless but painted black so i stripped it back and got it on the buffer it now looks like a new tail pipe.

only problem i had was some little turd who thought it would be funny to stand on the tail pipe which snapped the rear hook off the exhaust, which i got welded back on for the price of a beer and is as good as new.

only very slight signs of rust around the welds but nothing serious.

would go for bastuck if it ever does start to fall apart.

 

could people please put the price they paid for their system as that will also help people make up thier minds

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VR6

Magnex full Stainless System.

Bought from Fine Wine Begian Chocs (from this forum)

Reason: I like the look of the oval tip, it looks stock but also looks slightly uprated. It only sounds loud and boomy when you floor the throttle, otherwise you wouldnt notice that you have a "loud" exhaust. Cost... i cant remember, but it was a good deal, from one Corrado man to another.

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vr6

cat back stainless steel magnex

fits like an oe system,looks better than an oe system,sounds nice and cost me £230 fitted at demon tweeks

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Car: US-G60

Exhaust when I bought it: Milltek from Cat. Nice subtle gurgle sound when idling, pops nicely but subtly when kicking the G60 a bit, but typically can only be heard with windows open, as inside the Rado it's fairly quiet.

 

Only problem so far (system is nearly 3 years old): T-Bar on exhaust near midsection box caused pipe to break, resulting in blowing, reweld and reposition T-Bar hopefully has sorted that.

 

Tempest

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great thread 8)

 

car: 92 g60.

 

exhaust: standard except for motek cat bypass.

 

opinion: i fitted the cat bypass and was well impressed,little more go low down the rev range,and the sound is superb,burbles and pops a little backing off throttle.

 

plenty loud enough for me too.

 

 

car: mk1 16v on 45 webbers. :p

 

exhaust: supersprint 4 branch leading into full magnex system.

 

opinion: all superb,the sound was quiet yet meaningfull enough,and the build quality of both was superb.

 

neil. :)

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Don't think it should. After all, the exhaust issue has always been and will always be a matter of personal preference.

 

Those that believe the light-weight alloy pipes will improve performance will always prefer those. Those that want trick tail pipes will obviously go nowhere near the OEM pipe. Those that want Chavvy-Nova sounds will have other priorities. And so on ..

 

A poll would just show what type of exhaust MOST people who replied had. Unless there were 3938 votes (*) it wouldn't even come close to being representative of the forum's opinion anyway.

 

This thread was created for people to give them opinions on the massive number of different exhausts out there, so that those looking to choose can make their own minds up.

 

And so we don't have to go through the same routine once every week or two..

 

(** - There are currently 3938 members.)

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drivle

I think i depends upon how you ask the question, but that's fine.

I'd vote for a Supersprint as a top zorst though i have a Mongoose!

Mine sounds fine, a bit grunt without the boom but it clatters off theings under the car.

 

 

 

Chris

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Those that believe the light-weight alloy pipes will improve performance will always prefer those.

 

Not aluminium alloy I hope?

 

An exhaust will only improve performance if there is a major restriction along the gas path, such as the deliberately restricted front pipes on Subaru Imprezas for example....otherwise it's all Jedi mind tricks.

 

I saw with my own eyes a set of Scoob decat front pipes liberate 40bhp during a before/after dyno run on his Impy WRX.... but they were stupidly expensive Haywire & Scott pipes but it goes to show what can be done with a bit pipe trickery....

 

A VR6 would find 1 or 2hp from a zorst....if that. Vince rollered a VR with a Milltek and there was no gain at all. It's all marketing Horsesh1t.

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