Zach

Well 95GLX's engine did make over 200lbft to the wheels, so I guess it is an accurate measure of horsepower to the wheels. The key value is the difference between the original numbers and achieved numbers. 95GLX's engine produced 223whp on a dyno that, under the same conditions, yields ~145whp from a stock 2.8L 12v. That's an 80whp difference! He made this accomplishment via a BVH, standalone management, and ITBs. On a completely stock 2.8L bottom end.

Here in America a stock 2.8 12v makes 145-152whp. What does one make in the UK?

You're definately right, it is hard, but it can be done, and it has been done. I don't understand the last statement though - If the dyno is done right (with it SAE corrected to even factor out such things as a change in elevation, temperature and humidity), I can't think of a more accurate way to measure output other than an engine dyno. A guess is just that, only a guess. Anyway, after 4 days here's what I've found: 1) Race Shop Joe has a stock displacement 12v makeing 205whp/191wtq. He ran 12.49 at 108.8mph. http://www.race-shop.net/ 2) BillyVR6 on Vortex vwisthebest (12:40 PM 9-27-2005): how much power did your NA 2.8 12v make? billyVR6 (4:38 PM 9-27-2005): 194whp with the schrick 268's... went 12.87 unknown whp with the techtonics 288's (never dynoed)... went 12.83 3) 95GLX on the Vortex had a NA 2.8L 12v VR6 making 223.3whp/197.2wtq & 222.8whp/201.5wtq http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1354649

Just wondering if anyone knows of a naturally aspirated 2.9L or even a 2.8L 12v to get 200whp. - without NOS I know there a plethora of 3.0L and 3.1L running around with 200whp. Also what's the highest whp ever acheived by a NA 12v regardless of mods or displacement? Thanks