Clutch Master Cylinder? where can I get one?

[Jim Hughes 0]

Hello,

 

Tried the local motor factor and it was very different - they say it's the only one they can get.

 

Tried the dealer and they tell me no longer available!

 

I can't seem to see one on the GSF site????

 

Eurocarparts list one but show no picture - so a little hesitant bearing in mind what I got from the local MF.

 

Any advice would be very welcome.

 

Jim.

[Jim Hughes 0]

Spoke again to the dealer today and they say they can supply a part (clutch MC) for a 1993-95 Corrado part no - 358721388 Will this fit my car? my car is a 1990 1.8 16V.

 

Like I say, would really welcome some advice right now.

[jamiehamy 0]

I'm not familiar with the 1.8 I'm afraid, but I know had issues with the one Eurocarparts supplied for my VR6. In the end I had the car off the road for a couple of days and took the old one in and compared it. The main difference was that the original MC had threaded holes for the bolts, but the new one didn't, so I had to use my own nut/bolts to secure it.

 

It worked fine tho. Insist on ATE rather than anything nastier.

[Jim Hughes 0]

Cheers Jaime - much appreciated.

 

I'm struggling to resist the temptation of shooting the old girl between the headlights and putting her out of her misery!

After 12 years of loyal service!

 

But I've just had the headlights re-silvered at a huge cost to get it through another 12 months MOT! (Yet another part no longer available)

 

I'm not scared of re-engineering a similar clutch MC to suit, I mean this device is not reinventing the wheel is it? It is a hydraulic device which operates the clutch. Piston, cylinder, fluid seals etc...

[Jim Hughes 0]

I'm not making any headway with this at all.

I spoke to someone at GSF yesterday and they say that they can only supply a CMC for the later cars 93-95 and they cannot advise if this will fit my car.

 

Spoke to my dealer again today who tell me they too, can only supply the later item (93-95) but they will have to order from Germany and that will require a commitment from me (

 

Has anyone on here fitted the later CMC to and early (1990 valver) and does it require much modification?

 

I really don't want to scrap my car over this......

[jamiehamy 0]

Are there any decent scrap yards near you? Might be worth trying to get a second hand one to give you a reprieve, then research at leisure. Had you tried bleeding through with new fluid, I know that can help give some life back to it for a while.

[beastie4126 0]

A quick look on VAGCAT shows parts - 358721401 master cylinder / F >> 50-N-035 000* rhd & 358721388 master cylinder / F 50-P-000 001>> I'm assuming that the end references are for chassis numbers. They don't specify models ie VR against 4 pots which would make it appear they are interchangeable although they do show a change in pedal part numbers as well although the fittings look the same on my VR against what I remember being on the 16v

 

Do you need a complete replacement or can you not get a seal kit for the one you have?

[Supercharged 2]

I'm sure ETKA says the late one is ok but you need the matching pedal too - speak to VW!

[Jim Hughes 0]

Gents,

 

Cheers for your advice - much appreciated.

 

I'm going to the dealer tomorrow to see a picture of what is on offer, then will visit some some scrappys for pedals.

 

Yeah I've 'bled the system' last weekend, drove it tonight and it's a bit of an improvement.

 

But, the pedal sticks at the floor at the worst time, pulling up to traffic, drive engaged! You have to stick your foot on the brake and stall it.

 

You have to think about it..... overwise your in someone's rear.

 

It's not the slave, I put a clamp on the 'flexi' and eliminated that for the time being!

 

Ah well, own an old car, it's bound to be entertaining.

 

I will report back - have a good weekend fellas.

[leon263 0]

I replaced the clutch master cylinder on my Jan 93 VR6 and had to use the upgraded cylinder as you have been quoted. Below is a list of the parts I needed and their description .... all from TPS. When fitted you will find that you also have to realign the hydraulic pipe from the m/cylinder as the feed from the new one comes out at a different place.

Master cylinder ...... 358721388 .... £79.60

Clutch pedal .... 3A2721315 .... £33.21

Mounting .... 1H0721357 .... £0.68

Guide .... 191721421 .... £1.87

Prices are discounted trade prices from TPS.

Hope this helps, try to make sure you get all the parts you need at once. I was back and forward a few times as no-one thought to tell me, 'you'll need this too'.

 

All in all , a right faff but at least the clutch is perfect now.

Edited October 13, 2011 by leon263

[jamiehamy 0]

Gents,

 

But, the pedal sticks at the floor at the worst time, pulling up to traffic, drive engaged! You have to stick your foot on the brake and stall it.

 

You have to think about it..... overwise your in someone's rear.

 

 

 

Haha, eco-clutching is fun, I had the exact same when mine was playing up. I quickly learned only to depress it for the briefest moments and often had some higher-than-desired-speed parking maneovres!

[Jim Hughes 0]

Lost all clutch last Friday!

 

Went to the dealers with Leon's welcome advice (worth following).

 

My Vdub dealer informed me they had managed to find one from Germany (replacement for my 90 'J' plate), from a local specialist who was willing to supply a new part for a left hooker, a digi photo was supplied and I was confidant it was similar.

 

£115.00 + VAT = #~ £140 similar to doing the later CMC conversion.....

 

I did not want too, or have the tools to make up the 'new cunifer swaged pipe down to the slave'.

 

Do consider 'Cracking' the above union when the CMC is away from the bulkhead and not 'round the nut like I did'.Once the CMC is away you can apply heat easily and safely.

 

My new CMC came with non-threaded (blank) 7mm fixing holes... Tap them out to M8 and fix-in the m8 studs with liquid thread-lock.

 

You are not going to be able to Nut& Bolt that job easily - trust me.

 

' Back fed through the nipple after gravity bleeding - Job's a good un!

[Supercharged 2]

Glad you got it sorted - what was the part number for the CMC?

[Jim Hughes 0]

Part Number on invoice - 357721401

 

I can't fault my local dealer (Hadwins of Lindale Cumbria) they have been more than helpful.

 

They advised that: if it appears no longer available in the UK, that might not be the case in Germany.

[dragon green 5]

I know it's another old thread,but I thought I'd update this in case,like me someone else knows how to use the search !

My clutch master decided not to work,the newer pedal is now only available from classic parts in Germany,2 1/2-3 weeks wait,£38.ordered one last week,my mechanic mate has a fair few contacts,and with a lot of phone calls,found one,NOS,turned up today,it's the same one as in the third post,he just tapped the holes,and used slightly bigger bolts.Pipes were a straight fit,and he changed the slave while he was at it.

Result,cars back on the road,should be good for another 196k !

Edited July 16, 2014 by dragon green
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[Jim Bowen 1]

I have a 1995 VR, looking at replacing my master cylinder, (mainly because its not been done before) There was another thread where someone posted a link to a place that will re manufacture the original one.

 

Or is the one i need still available from VW or elsewhere?

 

My problem is i've left it a bit late and ideally want one before xmas so i can carry on working on the car.

[Jim Bowen 1]

I just rang the dealers, my cylinder has the ball on the end where it meets the pedal.

 

I think its part no: 358721388, and VW has them in stock, but £147+vat.

 

Going to look into TPS parts, i've never used them before.