Car running extremely rich

[simeone0704 10]

Changed plugs, dizzy, coil, leads.

 

The car starts very well when warm and then as soon as its left over night or so it has no temp in it the car does not start. Is this because there is too much fuel in the car to start it from cold as it does not burn it off as easy?

 

To adjust the amount of fuel, is there a 3mm al key where the fuel lines are on top of the air filter box?

 

Cheers

[Alex_G60_Fanatic 0]

first off what car you got? VR6, 16v, g60, 8v?

 

also, what kind of fuelling system do you have? I assume with your talk of allan keys and other idle control bits that it's a K-jet system you have?

 

It could be anything from your automatic choke to your lambda probe, feed us some more info :)

[Kevin Bacon 5]

The last sentence suggests it's a 16V. Come on Alex :lol:

[Alex_G60_Fanatic 0]

I feel Shame... :(

I thought that it would be K-jet... but wasn't sure. I'm no expert of 16v's!

[Wullie 1]

Got this from somewhere, should answer most of the questions. I hasten to add that someone else(who may recognise their work put this together. Not me.

 

Starts with the ISV then goes through fuelling and timing. Handy little thing

 

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[TD]This problem gets asked about 'quite a bit' on the forums - It applies to the mk2 Golf/Jetta 16v with KR engine.

 

"My mk2 16v cuts out at junctions and idles terribly, I'm at my wit's end"

 

Ok, there are somethings you can check yourself at home.

 

If the ISV is working ,turn ignition on pos2 valve should *buzz*,

 

Make sure it isn't cogged up with oil deposits-either replace it or flush out with carb cleaner.. remove the brass air bleed screw and clean it also. If all that fails .........

Try cleaning out the inlet tracts of oil and the airflow flap. If the engine isn't hunting when cold or hot, the CO is correct. 16Vs run best at 2.0 % CO.

 

To achieve 2.0%, disconnect the famous "red lead" spade connector behind the coil (see fig:1 below) (after the engine is at temp), pull off the breather hose and block the airbox hole. Start the engine and the revs should plummet, if they don't, the idle valve is shagged and you're idling off the bypass screw alone. Now, with the engine running, turn the idle screw (fig: 3) up until you get 950rpm +-50.

 

If the idle wanders or is lumpy (engine visibly rocking), insert your LONG 3mm allen key into the CO screw (fig :2) and turn it anti clock to weaken. Just prior to the engine cutting out, turn the key clockwise in 1/8th turn increments until the idle smooths out. Eventually, the engine should settle to a nice, steady idle. This will be 2.0% or very close to.

 

Switch off and reconnect everything.

 

Take it out for a run and when you dip the clutch, the tacho needle should gently fall to 1000rpm, not plummet. If after all that it's still missing and rough, investigate air leaks around the inlet manifold and the various vacumn hoses.

If you ever need to find the controller for the ISV it's the black box with 'VDO' marked on it that's clipped to the back of the ashtray or (if someones been fiddling), shoved behind the dash in a random fashion!

 

If you're really unlucky and the above instructions don't sort out your particular idling issue,check that the three senders on the end of the head, under the distributor are working, 2 of these control the ISV and the other is the temperature gauge sender - the senders are all the same so as long as your temperature gauge works, you can swap the wires to make sure all 3 senders actually make the temp gauge register, obviously if one doesn't work, there's your faulty sensor.

 

WARNING -The sensors are about £20 from VAG so be careful whilst tightening them, they are tapered thread which means in simple terms that you don't wind them in all the way!

 

Thanks to Kevin Hayward for the original version of this posted on the Club GTI mailing list, many moons ago and GVK who's website I pinched this particular version of the info from

 

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Oh and here's a short how2 on how to set the ignition timing:

Get the engine up to at least 80 degrees

Connect a timing light to sparky lead #1

Remove the green bung from the top of the gearbox housing

Start the engine and allow it to idle, then point your timing light down the hole

The diamond should line up with the arrow on the gearbox housing, as in the pic below. If not loosen the dizzy bolts and twist it slightly till it does:

 

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[simeone0704 10]

Yes its a 16v. Thanks for the help, will try it all tomorrow.

[aide 0]

Got this from somewhere, should answer most of the questions. I hasten to add that someone else

 

Thanks to Kevin Hayward for the original version of this posted on the Club GTI mailing list, many moons ago and GVK who's website I pinched this particular version of the info from

 

helpfull Mr Fishwick strikes again :)

[GVK 0]

They are my dirty fingers on those pics, I wrote that up about 10yrs ago! Kev posted the original on the old Club GTI mailing lists pre-forum days.

 

 

*holy thread ressurection*