fla 9 Posted November 8, 2004 Bit of a weird one this. The car's been standing for a while, and i took it for a spin on some open roads. On kickdown it drops down but then almost immediately changes up again with a slight whine or wheeze after the changeup. I let the engine temp get up to about 90 or so before giving it some welly. It also feels a bit sluggish. Dont know if it just needs loosening up again because of being stationary for so long in the damp weather? Would welcome any ideas. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supercharged 2 Posted November 8, 2004 When was the oil last changed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevemac 0 Posted November 8, 2004 How many miles has the car done ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fla 9 Posted November 9, 2004 Oil last changed about 500 miles ago (service) and the car has done 50k. Its not the torque limiter is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevemac 0 Posted November 9, 2004 Its not the torque limiter is it? Possible - was the whine present before the oil was changed ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeVR6 0 Posted November 9, 2004 Get it checked with VAG-COM for error codes, sorry to say this but you could be in for a world of hurt. :cry: Ask STORM, he's had some "experiences" with a VR6 Auto. :mad: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fla 9 Posted November 9, 2004 Stevemac, no probs before the service, just since its been standing for a while. Just wondering if the kickdown cable might need adjusting. Meanwhile, is there anyone in the Middx area with VAGCOM? I've just downloaded the shareware version but of course i'll need the leads. Is this version of any use? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevemac 0 Posted November 9, 2004 Most VW speciallists will have VAG-COM & I doubt they'd charge much just to scan for error codes. Maybe just a case of re-setting the ECU. This can be done without VAG-COM. If it was okay before it was stood, I doubt anything will need adjusting. Mechanically, the car will now be just as it was before it was parked up. ECU re-set may well solve your problems & as it's free, it sounds like a good place to start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Storm 0 Posted November 10, 2004 If the car has issues when it has reached its normal operating temp, then you know you have a problem. I'm not a mechanic but having an ex-auto I tend to get a few PM's on this. VAG com is the 1st step. Diagnosis isnt easy, finding someone who knows what they are doing is equally difficult. May be worth trying Geartech, if it needs a rebuild they have a very good rep. Expensive though. How many miles has it done? GearTech http://thegearboxshop.co.uk/about.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Storm 0 Posted November 10, 2004 .........Another http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 24670&rd=1 I just pinged him the link to this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fla 9 Posted November 10, 2004 Cheers for that Storm. Car's only done 50k (verified) with two previous owners (one was a doctor) so presuambly it wasnt thrashed senseless. I picked up the car about 2 months back and had it serviced immediately. Generally everything seemed okay and it ran perfectly until a few weeks back when it rained like shite. Did you ever adjust (or get adjusted) the kickdown cables, and if so whereabouts are they? I need to get it on VAG COM soon but as its not starting I'll probably need someone in the the area to come over. Kebab tokens waiting- i dont do beers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southam2023 0 Posted November 10, 2004 Thanks for pinging me here. What a revelation - I didn't know of this site's existence. History time. Auto trans lost all drive late 2001. Gear fault (have it here on my shelf) Rebuilt by Sussex Auto's under warranty. ATF loss last year - traced to crack in torque convertor, which only showed up at working temp. Warranty Co refused to repair - they have now ceased trading! Last few weeks, started to change up too soon, or refuse to kickdown. Yesterday refused to pull away (like clutch slip on manual), but treated it gently and got home okay. Mechanic pal sniffed ATF dipstick, said fluid smells burnt. Diagnosed "band slip", so now I'm looking for a replacement box as it appears this one is sha**ed. Car is regularly serviced, and has done 120k miles. Still love it tho' !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeVR6 0 Posted November 10, 2004 Once the box goes you're far better off going for a manual conversion. These boxes are like hens teeth. I managed to get one on E-Bay last month for £225 delivered. The guy had tried to auction it 5 times and had zero bids every time! Usual rule applies... When you have parts gathering dust, no one wants them. When you don't have them, everyone wants them. I can sell you my old box if you like, it needs refurbed but perhaps you could make one good box out of two or if your car is still driving you could send off the spare one for rebuild. I managed to track one guy down in AMerica that seemed knowledgable on the VW 096 Auto Transmission. He was a great help, although in the end the box was shagged. See if you can contact him here.... http://www.eclubvw.com/forums/showthrea ... 8#post3538 How's your conversion going Storm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeVR6 0 Posted November 10, 2004 Rang the Gearbox Shop, £895 +vat for a box fitted with 1yr 12,000mile warranty. :roll: Sounds reasonable. (Ring VW and see what they quote!) :shock: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fla 9 Posted November 10, 2004 Mike, Sent a note to their forum - meanwhile I'm getting that sinking feeling...hope its something simple, otherwise i may be looking at a manual conversion. even that is going to be major bucks at the mo...Once I get the car to start(!!!!!) I'll get it checked on VAGCOM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeVR6 0 Posted November 10, 2004 I've yet to drive a working VR6 auto. (mine's still away getting the new box fitted) They would need to be pretty damn good to be worth all this hassle! Thankfully I've got my manual VR to bomb about in normally. Depending on how straightforward the conversion is, I'd say scrap the Auto and throw a manual in. The box and ancillaries from a VR6 Passat or Golf are the same. Storm might be able to give you tips on a conversion, think he was going to do a Guide once his is complete. Can't believe they ever made a VR Auto to begin with, crazy Germans! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fla 9 Posted November 10, 2004 Storm - guide up and ready yet? Budget? As Mike says, is it straightforward? TBH Mike, when I got the car the Auto was very good, surprisingly, but i find it bizarre that you have to pay a premium for it over a manual if it is so crap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southam2023 0 Posted November 10, 2004 Does anybody know who actually makes the VR6 auto gearbox? I can't believe that VW would actually make it. Borg Warner? Getrag? Any ideas? Mike VR6 - I may be interested. How do I contact you? I'm new to this forum lark. Do we exchange e-mail addresses. Excuse my newness :? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Storm 0 Posted November 10, 2004 Here it is http://the-corrado.net/.archive/forum/viewtopic. ... 270#178270 Hope this is of use to you guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Storm 0 Posted November 10, 2004 Thanks for pinging me here. What a revelation - I didn't know of this site's existence. History time. Auto trans lost all drive late 2001. Gear fault (have it here on my shelf) Rebuilt by Sussex Auto's under warranty. ATF loss last year - traced to crack in torque convertor, which only showed up at working temp. Warranty Co refused to repair - they have now ceased trading! Last few weeks, started to change up too soon, or refuse to kickdown. Yesterday refused to pull away (like clutch slip on manual), but treated it gently and got home okay. Mechanic pal sniffed ATF dipstick, said fluid smells burnt. Diagnosed "band slip", so now I'm looking for a replacement box as it appears this one is sha**ed. Car is regularly serviced, and has done 120k miles. Still love it tho' !! Welcome aboard. I sold my auto this summer for £140 what a bargain! Be very careful when buying a secondhand box, make sure you know why its been removed, they have a shelf life dontya know. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeVR6 0 Posted November 11, 2004 The Auto gearbox has a separate ECU. Theres a reset procedure for this ECU, after following it my Auto would run OK for a few miles. 1/ Gearstick in park position 2/ Put key in ignition 3/ Push throttle pedal to the max and hold 4/ Turn key to the position just prior to starting (all lights on dash on) 5/ Release throttle after 30 seconds This procedure was a bit hit and miss. I found it easier to use VAGCOM to reset the box. Worth a try though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeVR6 0 Posted November 11, 2004 Southam2023 You can contact me via Personal Mail on the forum. Simply click the "PM" button under my first post in this thread. It doesn't email me directly, just leaves a message in my inbox on the Forum. The same box is in Renault Espace V6, think is has the code AG something in Renault circles. Not sure who makes the box itself, it may well be an inhouse VW design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
