VR6 vs STANDARD MK2 16V GOLF!!!!!!!!!

[Rory 0]

I couldnt overtake my mate up to about 90mph (private road) the other day and hes started throwing round sheep in wolfs clothing type comments.

 

His car is a standard oak green 16v mk2 golf that feels slow to be a passenger in but obviously not. My 95 VR6 was struggling to overtake. My car runs smoothly doesnt feel like it has any losses in power and can keep up with UK spec Imprezas easily. Also my car feels like a train after 4000rpm.

 

Whats going on??????!!!!!

 

My point being that a fast car feels faster than a slower car but in the real world the difference is minimal.

 

The only car to REALLY got away from me is an EVO 6 which i presume was modded cos it almost went out of sight.

 

What can i do to get my car to do this i.e sub 13 qtrs or are VW's too heavy? Ive looked at Z-engineering supercharger kits but then again im not gonna shave whole seconds off the 0-60 time for £2500!! And thats supposed to be cheap power!!!

 

It would be cheaper to dare i say it pex for a 280bhp import Subaru STI which is equally reliable eventhough the history is grey :?

[LowG 0]

lol not this again,now if you a wise man you would do what stormer did sold his vr got himself a g60 :D they lighter anyway Ill tell you that you wont get to 13 with that charger only. Iv seen a 290 hp supercharged vr6 with 6 speen geaboox and struggled on 14.24 secs so this just gives you an idea of how much work is involved but there are VR which run 10 seconds

[stormseeker 0]

My car runs smoothly doesnt feel like it has any losses in power and can keep up with UK spec Imprezas easily. Also my car feels like a train after 4000rpm.

 

Had your VR VAG-COM'd recently? Check for dead camshaft sensor, engine speed sensor and/or lambda probe.

 

Any/all of these are prime suspects to drop a few 10s of BHP.

[Rory 0]

What is VAG-COM? A diagnostic on the engine management? Can this only be carried out at a VAG?

 

I chose the VR6 cos whenever you see a rolling road shoot out they tend to keep all of their standard bhp which is nice. Then you see extremely modded cars actuslly lose power so im always suspect of modded power claims.

 

I'd rather have a fast car to start with

[stormseeker 0]

What is VAG-COM? A diagnostic on the engine management? Can this only be carried out at a VAG?

 

 

VAG-COM is a s/w package written by Ross Tech that emulates the VAG main dealer diagnostics tools. Used by private individuals and independent VAG specialists ('cos it costs $200 as opposed approx. $1500 for the pukka VW diagnostics) - So yes - it's a diagnostic on the Motronic ECU.

 

The ECU can tell if certain sensors (e.g. Camshaft Position Sensor, Engine Speed Sensor, O2 sensor) are dis or shorted to 0 or 12 V.

 

I've read here on numerous occasions that any of the above mentioned sensors dying leaves the ECU to guess values meaning you're down a few BHP (heard claims of 30BHP down for a dead camshaft sensor :shock: )

[joby 0]

The 16V MK2 Golf is a seriously fast car (power to weight ratio) especially with 100000 miles plus on the clock, believe me, my mates got one most standard high milers tend to run 150 bhp on the rollers. I once read an article in car and car conversions were someone was complaing about his mates 16V Golf biting at the heels of his saphire cosworth at 140 mph 8) (RESPECT)

[Rpmayne 0]

I have owned a mkII golf 8v and 16v before the VR6 corrado and must admit they are fast, but I can't imagine they are un-passable at 90. It must have been a downhill / straight road, overwise the VR's torque would win every time.

 

Used to compare mine and my mates cars up a hill near me, just see what speed you could get at the top:

 

mkI 8v golf - 95mph

mkII 8v golf - 95mph

mkII 16v golf - 100mph

corrado VR6 - 120mph (still pulling hard, ran out of revs) :twisted:

[Kevin Bacon 5]

Hmmm, a lot of tripe on the forum tonight isn't there?

 

My previous car to my current VR6 was a MK2 16V Turbo which had 210bhp and 205lb/ft torque and that only just got past a Corrado VR6. I've had plenty of MK2 16Vs and they are way slower than a VR6. Yeah 16Vs do loosen up nicely but it's so hard to find a good one.

 

Kev

94 VR6

[VR6 0]

Mmm not too sure about a 140mph 16v Golf either.

[vr6storm 0]

Mmm not too sure about a 140mph 16v Golf either.

 

 

apart from a G-60 Limited :wink: 8) :lol:

[VR6 0]

There's always one eh Roddy? ;)

 

 

 

 

Ok ok, maybe apart from the Limited. Still think a standard Limited might be lucky for a true 140.

[vr6storm 0]

There's always one eh Roddy? ;)

 

 

 

 

Ok ok, maybe apart from the Limited. Still think a standard Limited might be lucky for a true 140.

 

 

LOL....couldn't resist mate

[Kevin Bacon 5]

Mmm not too sure about a 140mph 16v Golf either.

 

Technically speaking, a 16V 020 gearbox can give a maximum of 139.9mph as proven by GPS on my own 16V....with a turbo on it :D

 

A standard 16V doesn't have sufficient power or torque to over come air resistance to reach that speed though.

 

Kev

[Rory 0]

Mmm not too sure about a 140mph 16v Golf either.

 

Maybe his clocks had an error. He could have been running skateboard wheels and forgot to recalibrate the speedo. Just a thought

 

Hmmm, a lot of tripe on the forum tonight isn't there?

 

My previous car to my current VR6 was a MK2 16V Turbo which had 210bhp and 205lb/ft torque and that only just got past a Corrado VR6. I've had plenty of MK2 16Vs and they are way slower than a VR6. Yeah 16Vs do loosen up nicely but it's so hard to find a good one.

 

Kev94 VR6

 

My thread may be tripe but im relatively new to c ownership and didnt expect to struggle with a 16v golf. However i did say only up to 90mph after that i think the c would stretch its legs and leave it for dead.

 

The golf is lighter than the c and weight saving is alot more effective than gaining horsepower so its easy to see why (at low speed) a good golf can keep up.

 

Of course at high speed the golf with lower torque, drag coefficient etc would lag behind. This brings me back to my origional q how do i get this c to go really fast?

(P.S this is not inciting a VR6 vs G60 debate)

 

 

The car is for sale now so this is only a general q. Hopefully one of you will come out of the woodwork with a real stormer 8)

[Kevin Bacon 5]

Rory, what you wrote wasn't tripe, sorry you got that impression but it was this I was referring to:-

 

lol not this again,now if you a wise man you would do what stormer did sold his vr got himself a g60

 

Cheers

Kev

[Chris VR6nos 0]

Low-G,

 

14.24 secs if you are quoting the PVW figures were not the whole story, Did I see you there?

I couldn't find any Optimax down there and the car was Dyno'd at Jabba Sport on 98octane fuel so the 95ron made it pink it's tits off, and the best run that wasn't published correctly was 12.97sec!

Plus I did 170mph in 6th on the way home! with a whitness.

 

The car now belongs to Andy 'C6 SVR' and he's very happy with the performance.

 

Low-G, were you there? 'cos you say you 'saw' the supercharged VR6.

 

Big cheap power comes from Nitrous, 'Nuff said.

 

My supercharged VR6 breaks traction and spins in 3rd gear on a dry road with 17's on and 45-50bhp nitrous in a single shot, i'll put the 75bhp jets in shortly to take me well over 300bhp, sweet!

 

Golfs are easy meat! aswell as STi's (that's a desease isn't it?) :lol:

[Kevin Bacon 5]

 

My supercharged VR6 breaks traction and spins in 3rd gear on a dry road with 17's on and 45-50bhp nitrous in a single shot, i'll put the 75bhp jets in shortly to take me well over 300bhp, sweet!

 

LOL, you got some serious torque there my man.....

 

Kev