Never ending competition

[PeterMunns 0]

My Mate (G60dub) :)

 

Is getting his charger done...along with loads of other bits for his G60 he reckons he'll be pushing 240bhp or so he thinks. :shock:

 

I ve got a 16v 2L 9a, Engine has had a couple of things done to it. but would like to keep the engine if poss either looking at 16vG60 or Turboing it...will it be poss to beat him or do i need to change the engine..??

 

Say i had around £2000 to spend would should i do...??

 

Any ideas please !!!

[Kevin Bacon 5]

There was a 16V turbo techics turbo kit for sale recently in the parts section for less than £2k - a kit I have a lot of experience of and it'll be goodbye G60 :wink:

[flusted 0]

That kit keeps showin up on ebay! 16vg60 would be wicked!!!

[Blue_Joe 0]

16vG60 will cost you somewhere in the region of £2500 to £3K to do it properly yourself. To pay someone else even more.

[PeterMunns 0]

flusted,

 

Haven't Seen the G6016V kit on ebay....?? But will i have issues with the car being RHD because of the altenater...??

[Neil VR6 0]

16VG60 (aka John from JMR racing) runs a 16VG60 (unsurprisingly :)) and it's a bit pokey from what I hear!

[Henny 0]

pokey? I've been in John's 16VG60 when I went down there to pick up my block from him... It's fecking RAPID, forget pokey! :lol:

 

Not sure how much faster than mine it is though... that'd be an interesting one to try... 8)

[AKA-Andrew 0]

The turbo kit kept showing up on e-bay cos i was messed about soooooo much buy people. its sold now to a guy in cornwall, got my buy it now price too, well happy

[PeterMunns 0]

Vento_VR6, DAM...!!!

 

Spoke to race power motor sport about turboing mine good for about 300bhp......ooo But will cost me about £4000....ARRRR

 

So thinking will a 20vT be a better option....???

[VEEDUBBED 0]

I've gone up against Italian modded delta Evos,

modded sierra/escort cosworths with my corrado

pg blocked turbo 16v,their quicker off the line than

my corrado but when i'm in third upwards my car

pi$$is all over them...,no chance they get close.

I've tried a G60 coverted 2000cc 16v and i can assure

you you won't stand a chance against that lot....

The only time i had to back off was when i locked

horns with a Bmw M3 Turbo(GT40 Garret,3200cc,8 injectors,-FERKIN FAST!!).

[PeterMunns 0]

Any one on this site put a 1.8t in....?? How hard and how mcuh for the bits seen this looks good

 

http://www.performancevwmag.com/classif ... ed+Kingdom

[20v turbo 0]

Any one on this site put a 1.8t in....?? How hard and how mcuh for the bits seen this looks good

 

http://www.performancevwmag.com/classif ... ed+Kingdom

i was looking at that myself for another little project but at that price i'de want the loom,clocks,key and ecu all in with that price.

[PeterMunns 0]

20v turbo,

 

Hello being looking at you motor...!! Very nice and neat Suprise you were only pushing 220bhp thou...? What are these engines good for...?

 

E-mailed the bloke will see if its gone yet. So it cost you about £4000 to put yours in...??

[20v turbo 0]

well to start mate i bough mine befor the 225 20v's were out so it's only the 150 version which is only good for 210ish bhp,the 225 should be good for around 270 bhp but to be honest i havent bothered changing mine because i struggle to get plenty of grip with what i've got.as for it costing me £4000 it was probably a lot cheaper as inclueding buying the car it cost me £6000 thats inclueding new radio,amp,suspension,exhaust,rear calipers and verious other bits and bobs

[Henny 0]

PeterMunns, how's you mate intending to get 240BHP out of his G60? That needs some serious work to make that kinda power reliably and safely without needing to rebuild the engine every few months... :| (or nitrous I supposed... :roll: )

[PeterMunns 0]

Henny, ....oooo ummm he said that he was getting red tops R1 charger a few other things. He said he was spending £1000 and that will give him around 240bhp....but there's not way that includes a rebuild.

 

I take it 240 is alot to ask of a standard block...

 

20v turbo, What are the 225 20vt good for then, i was told you could get 450bhp out of them...??

 

Every one telling me porkies at the mo ?

[Henny 0]

If I get over 250bhp out of the engine I built, I'll have done well... and that had nearly 4K ploughed into it with me doing all the work...

 

The standard 8V G60 is very difficult to get over a genuine useful* 220bhp unless you run a stupidly small pulley or rebore it...

 

*genuine useful = not thrashing it upto 7Krpm+ to get high BHP readings due to timing, and having useful torque from low down all the way through the rev range... ;)

[Kevin Bacon 5]

I take it 240 is alot to ask of a standard block...

 

Just a little.... consider this....Stealth's 'Bomber' 2.0 G60 developed 238bhp with a Piper cam, stage 3 or 4 lader, smaller pulley, charge cooler etc etc, so I do have a quiet chuckle to myself when I see figures over 230bhp being bandied about from the 1800 with the 'usual' mods.

 

20v turbo, What are the 225 20vt good for then, i was told you could get 450bhp out of them...??

 

Again, not with the 'usual' mods. For that sort of power you're looking at strengthened internals and a bigger turbo.

 

Why not do a 16V Turbo? The American and Euro scenes are heavily into 16V T conversions at the moment because it's affordable, easy and gives good power. You've got your 16v engine, so to that you add Audi S2 pistons and crank and take it out to 1900 cc, then add an Audi S2 turbo running at 1.4 bar and a custom inlet plenum (usually a hacked 20V job) and fuel rail and you get 320+ brake.

[corradokid 0]

Sounds interesting kev, you got any more info?

[Kevin Bacon 5]

Not off hand but I've read about 4 different 16V turbos recently and they've all been S2 piston/blower based and all were in the 300 to 400 brake range with anything from 1.4 to over 2 bar boost! The 16V can take it though, it's a bomb proof motor.....

 

The 'raiding the S2 parts bin' way of doing a 16V T seems to be a bit of an unknown quantity over here but over the pond, there's loads of em.

The S2 pistons and crank can be used in the 16V block, then it's just a case of sorting the inlet and exhaust to take the G60/20V fuel rail and the S2 turbo. I don't know the exact details but can assume it's very doable given the amount of them kicking about at the mo....

[PeterMunns 0]

kevhaywire,

 

Right so its the Turbo route for sure now lol

 

Been told to source the parts from the us. Any one know any good sites for these turbos...??

 

Was told to get a T3 hybrid and mainfold

 

Cheers

[jezzaG60 0]

Ha Ha..... S2 crank eh...... and what happens to that 5th cylinder it has.....!

 

All you need is the S2 pistons, the rods they use are identical to the 1.8 16v KR ones..... i mean they are the same VW part number. From what have seen they are good to around 300bhp if you use some ARP bolts.

S2 pistons are however only any good for a 1.8 engine. I have searched for them before and it seems that oversize ones are very expensive so unless you have a mint 1.8 block your best bet it a set of custom forged pistons.

You can use the S2 exhust manifold and have the 5th runner cut off and capped but its not a very pretty or i should imagine efficient manifold. Probably the cheapest way to begin with tho. The S2 intake can be used again with the 5th cylinder cut off and a plate welded on to attatch the throttle body to.