robo22sri 10 Posted August 25, 2011 Hey guys, i was wondering if anyone has done a 2.0 tfsi engine conversion on a vr6? I rang Quantum Performance engineering about doing a 20vt conversion and they said i cant do it because the vr sub frame is different to the g60 and valvers, On their site it says you can put the 2.0 tfsi engine in the corrado though and they do a plug and play loom for it! http://www.qpeng.com/conversion_guide_tfsi.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neobadness 0 Posted August 25, 2011 But TFSi without the correct ECU is just a 2ltr. It's the electronics that make it special. Not researched Qpeng with regards this swap but I do know that their 1.8t loom leaves a bit to be desired as it doesn't run a knock sensor. Which you want in a boosted engine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VR6 Lee 0 Posted August 25, 2011 that would be nice engine to put in Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robo22sri 10 Posted August 25, 2011 But you could put most of the Ecu in?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_B 0 Posted August 25, 2011 But you could put most of the Ecu in?!? It's not that simple. The ecu is connected to every other electrical system in the car, and if one of them isn't working then it messes everything up. Stand alone management is the easy option, but then the tfsi part is not there then Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle 10 Posted August 25, 2011 It's not that simple. The ecu is connected to every other electrical system in the car, and if one of them isn't working then it messes everything up. Stand alone management is the easy option, but then the tfsi part is not there then ??? Why wouldn't a tfsi work on a standard alone I don't get your logic.. So a Motec won't work then ? Qpeng kit on the tfsi is quite good actually.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chazrad 0 Posted August 25, 2011 The Phirm have fitted a fully working TFSI into a Mk2 Golf. Its mega quick (I'm lucky enough to have had a ride out in it) and a great install. The point is it can be done but there are some clever workarounds required on the TFSI ECU to get it to run with Mk2 (or any other) clocks and other anciliaries. Speak to the experts if you need to know why you can't run standalone ECU and have the TFSI working fully, but it seems to be the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle 10 Posted August 26, 2011 CHAZRAD I've seen the Phirms Mk2 it's bloody quick... think just like the 20v the standard Ecu swaps will become cheaper you just have to pay for the R&D at the moment.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_B 0 Posted August 26, 2011 I know it's a pain because I've tried doing it! The stand alone stuff doesn't work the high pressure injection system to the same degree, if at all, as the standard ecu. That is what makes the engine special. The standard ecu will be an absolute anus to wire in without all the clever stuff the phirm has connected. If you use that it all comes down to money. I've tried putting in a 2.0 tfsi engine into a Corrado, and its not easy. Firstly none of the original mounts can be used, so it's custom mounts to begin with. Custom driveshafts, exhaust, pipework etc etc. Then the wiring.... By all means try it, but we decided quite quickly that it would be a money pit and a long process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robo22sri 10 Posted August 26, 2011 I know it's a pain because I've tried doing it! The stand alone stuff doesn't work the high pressure injection system to the same degree, if at all, as the standard ecu. That is what makes the engine special. The standard ecu will be an absolute anus to wire in without all the clever stuff the phirm has connected. If you use that it all comes down to money. I've tried putting in a 2.0 tfsi engine into a Corrado, and its not easy. Firstly none of the original mounts can be used, so it's custom mounts to begin with. Custom driveshafts, exhaust, pipework etc etc. Then the wiring.... By all means try it, but we decided quite quickly that it would be a money pit and a long process. cheers for the conformation, i will forget that idea then :lol: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_B 0 Posted August 26, 2011 just read the latest info from qpeng. All sounds very promising and cheap. I run qpeng on my 20v and cant fault it. If the kit they have developed for the tfsi is as good as they say, then it will make this conversion alot easier. In that case, all you need to worry about is putting it in.... I've done a few engine conversions and have just finished a haldex conversion on a rallye, and I still think the tfsi conversion is a pretty big task from an install point of view Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannyboy 0 Posted August 26, 2011 Think problem with the qpeng kits is it doenst cater properly for the stratified injection,which is basicly as said what gives this engine its edge. you need to run proper CANBUS to use it properly which most companies filter out sensors and drivers.Basicaly you end up with a direct injection 2.0t,nothing more. Yes it is very indepth wiring but thats whats needed to run modern electrics.Its pretty much down to-You get what you pay for!! Engine mounts now are mounted to the chassis legs rather than the subframes to reduce engine vibration and engine/gearbox movement,putting them in older mk2 frames is always going to cause problems as engines were subframe mounted in mk2s and mk3s but thats easier task compared to the wiring An company that removes fail-safes such as knock sensors in their looms,I WONT touch with a 10 foot barge pole.Thats asking for trouble Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apsik 10 Posted January 15, 2014 ... you need to run proper CANBUS to use it properly ... ...An company that removes fail-safes such as knock sensors in their looms,I WONT touch with a 10 foot barge pole.Thats asking for trouble Sorry mate but you are wrong... Daily driven Corrado 2.0TSI, stock G60 transmission, no CAN-BUS!, stock MED17.5 ECU stock turbo, 1,5bar of boost and some intake mods Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KADVR6 0 Posted January 15, 2014 Sorry mate but you are wrong... Daily driven Corrado 2.0TSI, stock G60 transmission, no CAN-BUS!, stock MED17.5 ECU stock turbo, 1,5bar of boost and some intake mods more info please mate, this is what im planning on doing sometime this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin Bacon 5 Posted January 15, 2014 Nice. A lot of clout for not a huge amount of cash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apsik 10 Posted January 15, 2014 more info please mate, this is what im planning on doing sometime this year. You can find more pictures on my facebook page: here are 4 things in this SWAP I am proud of :) - stock Corrado A/C is working - I fabricated a bracket to use stock A/C compressor (the MK6 compressor is PWM operated) - stock P/S is working ... with E-Pump - that was not hard but it took me a day or two to find proper pump - stock 02A gearbox on EA888 - because I have access to CNC Mill, custom parts are easy to fabricate - wiring ... yeah, when I had it running (immo defeated etc.) there was a problem with limp mode (revs limited to 5000rpm); it took me 2 weeks to figure it out why it goes limp mode and why it has problem with oil valve As I have told you the car is daily driven ... I was asked by the owner to modify the software in case of snapped/lose hose. His wife drives the Corrado harder than "boys" can imagine :D So now the engine drives limp mode free even with boost hose off :) It drives like N/A and does not die. Nice. A lot of clout for not a huge amount of cash. To reach the power/torque numbers the intake has to be modified a bit. This part of the job I won't share. Most of you will be happy with 280hp and 450Nm I guess. If you need help with wiring PM me :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
