biggerbigben 0 Posted November 12, 2003 I'll go along with that. I prefer the VR6 engine note but you can't have everything! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 0 Posted November 12, 2003 especially with a cold air fed K&n on it now that is a lovely noise that does'nt up-set anyone through town my kind of car :D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biggerbigben 0 Posted November 12, 2003 andy do you have any pics of your 20v install as I didn't really get a chance to look at it in detail because it was dark. Liked the sound of it when you burnt away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bournemouth James 0 Posted November 12, 2003 sorry admin, for starting this thread....lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VR6 0 Posted November 12, 2003 i'm finding all this insulting very boring i thought c owners on general were nice people obviously some exceptions i'm just wondering if theres a mod out there that may consider just locking this thread up :? It's crossing my mind. I think the better alternative is to delete the drivel and leave what was, an interesting topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 0 Posted November 12, 2003 it's cool i was'nt naming anyone, but vr6, that has made the most sense so far, :D and yeah lets all blame james from bournemouth for starting it :D , not really mate us southerners ave gotta stick together :D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffy 0 Posted November 12, 2003 I'll go along with that. I prefer the VR6 engine note but you can't have everything!# yeah they sound sexy ... but you cant have it all... hows yours coming on ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffy 0 Posted November 12, 2003 biggerbigben I'm sortning that out a the moment mate.. the cars in for a respay next week so i'll sort some out for the weekend .. cheers for the fans mate they work atreat.. ahh i took note of what you said about the zorst note .. and had a bigger back box fitted its killed the booming noise .. thanks for the hint andy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biggerbigben 0 Posted November 12, 2003 Mine is coming on slow. I'm only home at the weekends so I don't get much time to work on it. I'm still trying to wire up the ems at the mo and I'm trying to sort out a good intercooler. The merc one I looked at is not big enough, had a chat with Pace just now. I should have it all on the road by summer time. You do all your bits quickly! New backbox already, I only saw you on Sunday! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VR6 0 Posted November 12, 2003 You will notice that this thread is now roughly 2 pages shorter. Keep the thread on topic (and friendly!!) or it will just be locked, which is very unfair on the thread starter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoxyLaad 0 Posted November 12, 2003 all friends again :) so in conclusion to the topic am I right in saying that the general consensus is that the 20vT can produce big big power figures for a relatively low cost, but the VR engine has - dare I say it - a little more character? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffy 0 Posted November 12, 2003 i dont hang about ... more power haha .. get a move on i want to have a butchers .. if you ned a had on the ecu i can d the loon for you bit a a wire monkey me.. andy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biggerbigben 0 Posted November 12, 2003 i might mate to be honest! I hate wiring, just can't get my head around it! I'm using the Haltech EMS, done most of the haltech sensors but how do I spline it into the car wiring loom.. ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VR6 0 Posted November 12, 2003 Guys - can we keep the chat to pm or email please? Ta Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhatVR6 0 Posted February 10, 2004 Just thought I'd dig this thread up again, now tha I have dyno plots of dubsports 1.8t and also a vr6 tubo done by them too. I'll post them up as soon as i can.....just you wait and see the difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaiosG60 PWR 0 Posted February 11, 2004 Here you go I've got some scans of those. The Green line is a VR6 turbo (done for a customer) The Orange line is dubsports 20vt mk2 The Blue line is a standard 4motion!!! (not to be out done they are building a mk4 with two of the VR6 turbo engines show on the graph plus Nitros and expect 1000bhp) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dr_mat 0 Posted February 11, 2004 Jeez that turbo VR has some guts. 180lbft at 2k rpm? Climbing to 470lbft!!! Meanwhile the 20vt doesn't even keep up with the stock 4-motion till 5k rpm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biggerbigben 0 Posted February 11, 2004 wow that vr6 turbo is awesome!! 20vt not that impressive on the gragh, however we know that it can perform! 0-60 in the early 3's and 11 sec 1/4 mile!! @ Gti international 03. You can't say thats not quick! I bet the VR6 t will be similar figures depending on whether it as 4wd or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffy 0 Posted February 11, 2004 wow that vr6 turbo is awesome!! 20vt not that impressive on the gragh, however we know that it can perform! 0-60 in the early 3's and 11 sec 1/4 mile!! @ Gti international 03. You can't say thats not quick! I bet the VR6 t will be similar figures depending on whether it as 4wd or not. doesnt cost 20 grand to build either.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhatVR6 0 Posted February 11, 2004 Just goes to show that peak power figues are not the end of the story.....that particular 1.8T is totally gutless under 4500rpm. my 8v has more toruqe. I bet it's an absolute pig to drive on the road. So when someone starts raving on about their "350BHP" 1.8T, ask them how much torque it's got at 3000rpm..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joebloggsVR69 0 Posted February 11, 2004 How comes the 20vt graph lines dont cross? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaiosG60 PWR 0 Posted February 11, 2004 Jeff did say in the defence of the 20vturbo that it drives like a normal GTi unless you rev it high. So it can be driven economicly and sensibly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhatVR6 0 Posted February 11, 2004 How comes the 20vt graph lines dont cross? Because the BHP and the torque scales are difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biggerbigben 0 Posted February 11, 2004 Just goes to show that peak power figues are not the end of the story.....that particular 1.8T is totally gutless under 4500rpm. my 8v has more toruqe. I bet it's an absolute pig to drive on the road. So when someone starts raving on about their "350BHP" 1.8T, ask them how much torque it's got at 3000rpm..... Thats very true, but I like the fact that you can drive it around under 4000 RPM as a normal gti as mentioned by CaiosG60 PWR, retain good mpg, not be too noisy etc but when you need the power its there! Anyway in my defence I'm using the IHI turbo which will hopefully spool up a bit quicker than that. Each to their own anyway. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin Bacon 5 Posted February 11, 2004 Holy cripes....470lb/ft!! And Birch wants two of them in a MK4! Nutter....how's he going to get it to the track as it's illegal to have 2 engines in this country? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
