More EU madness

[timg60 0]

Might be a double post but :hitler: :hitler: :hitler: :hitler:

 

http://www.yell.com/motoring/blog/wave- ... ansplants/

 

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[OllieVR6 0]

That's an April Fools joke, right?.........right????

[dr_mat 0]

"Recent legislation from the DVLA (August 3rd 2009) suggests that your motor swap with mates is now impossible."

 

Note the emphasis on the word "suggests". This is conjecture. In fact the Individual Vehicle Approval process is one that has been asked for by many in the industry for some time because at the moment once you modify a car at all it has no real type approval at all, and insurers aren't obliged to insure it.

[tyler 0]

just means you do the transplant and get a dodgy ticket put on it lol theres going to be so many vr6 turbos mk2s registered as 1.6 gl sop its going to be a nightmare

[CTWG60 0]

This is screwy! Right I've read the relevant parts of the Draft IVA and it's only relevant to vehicles that are classed as rebuilt or manufactured from parts of another registered car. Well to be rebuilt "is not an amateur built vehicle or a vehicle manufactured using parts of a registered vehicle" and a remanufactured vehicle has to meet three requirements from what I can gather and an engine from another registered vehicle is only one requirement, the other is a business that does this sort of thing as a business and it has some other part of that vehicle!

 

From what I can gather it doesn't suggest any such thing! Another Moron Reporter! :roll:

 

Needs more reading to be sure but I've read enough to convince myself he's talking bollox! :)

[swiftkid 1]

yet again the government is trying to ban DIY which causes people to have to fork out on things they can do, and in some cases better, themselves. Personally anything mechanical that needs doing i would much prefer myself to do it, i wouldn't let a mechanic come within 50 miles of my car, no offence to anyone who is one but i think every mechanic i have come across couldn't care less about their job, its all about money and not about service or pride of work.

 

I can forsee alot more of these sentences "1.8t registered as a 1l" etc. Although i can see the insurance companies getting in on this and not insuring anyone without certificates.

 

People wonder why the recession was so bad, its things like this! things that are making people have to spend the money when they don't need to.

[CTWG60 0]

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Bu ... /DG_177879

 

Who needs to use the IVA scheme?

The IVA scheme is a UK National Approval scheme for individuals or companies that are vehicle importers, assemblers or manufactures of small numbers or individual vehicles.

These include:

anyone who builds, designs or sells kit cars

importers of cars from outside the European Union, like the Far East and North America

people rebuilding older cars – sometimes calling into question the car's original identity

specialists converting new vehicles into wheelchair accessible vehicles

manufacturers making vehicles in low volumes

manufacturers of trailers, for personal or business use

manufacturers or importers of passenger vehicles, for personal or business use

manufacturers or importers of goods vehicles, for personal or business use

 

There you go! IVA scheme does not cover engine swaps! What a TW@T!!!!!!! :salute:

[skinnyman9000 0]

If you look further into this the only 2 requirements are that you provide a receipt for proof of engine purchase, and have an engineers report to state the engine is in good working order. Now to be honest i cannot see a problem with either of those 2 things. It stop illegal engine selling, and ensures only suitable cars are on the road. If you're a legit person, building a car properly, then there is nothing to worry about, simply a few more hoops to jump through.

 

I think this legislation is mainly to stop chav boy and his dodgy mates from fitting a calibra lump into his corsa in his shed. If you upgrade the rest of the car to the required standard then its all good.

[swiftkid 1]

your missing the point though, not everybody is a calibra engine swapping corsa owning boyracer. My mate put a vr6 engine in his mk2, that included a full rewire of the car and he upgraded alot of parts in the process. Why should he have to pay an engineer to check all his work that will probably charge the world for looking at it and nodding which will take less than 10 seconds. whats an MOT for exactly? and why does it matter what condition the engine is in? I had a 1.8 16v engine sat in my garage for ages which i recently sold on, the engine was totally legit, it came out of my old car. will my name and a squiggle on a sticky note count as a receipt?

[Kevin Bacon 5]

There you go! IVA scheme does not cover engine swaps! What a TW@T!!!!!!! :salute:

 

 

There you go! IVA scheme does not cover engine swaps! What a TW@T!!!!!!! :salute:

 

I started reading the link he provided to Transport Office info. Page 40 of the M1 passenger car link is interesting! - http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/r ... y%2009.pdf

 

It states that if the car is registered between 1st Aug 92 and 31st July 95 and the car has an exact match on the emissions database, carry out a "CAT test" using the vehicle specific limits, which is usually CO

 

If there is no exact match, carry out a "non cat" test - CO

 

So then, assuming the worst and we DO need an IVA, or SVA, or what ever, it seems obvious to me that we will all be eligable for the non-cat test! I mean, did VW ever make a 1.8T Corrado, or an R32 Corrado, or a VR6 Turbo? Nope, so there won't be any data on these "vehicles" on the database :D

 

Unless they turn round and pass a law that forces us to mirror the transplanted engine's exact characteristics (inc emissions limits) and power into the older car, then we will be well and truly screwed :?

 

But for now, again it appears to be nothing more than rumour mill grinding and nothing concrete.

 

All you can do is send off the V5 with the engine's new capacity and wait to get it back from the DVLA. If they send it back with a letter asking you take the car down to your nearest SVA centre, then we'll know sure :wink:

[Kevin Bacon 5]

your missing the point though, not everybody is a calibra engine swapping corsa owning boyracer. My mate put a vr6 engine in his mk2, that included a full rewire of the car and he upgraded alot of parts in the process. Why should he have to pay an engineer to check all his work that will probably charge the world for looking at it and nodding which will take less than 10 seconds.

 

Exactly. The law on this (if it's true) needs to be a lot more granular because installing a VR6 into a MK2 involves no cutting, no shutting, no welding and no bodged wiring jobs. Everything bolts in directly and the parts used are all VAG or after market ones made to a high standard, so it's all perfectly safe for the road. Plus your mate probably knows 10x more on the subject of VR6 MK2s than the examiner would anyway!

 

Reading between the lines, this could be a conspiracy between the car makers and the government to stop people modifying and to buy new cars instead, another string to the scrappage bow if you like?

 

It can't have gone un-noticed by the car makers that their top cars are easily beaten by even their own cheaper models with some cheap after market parts and know-how. Focus RS @ £30K or what ever it costs, or a chipped ST @ £18K which is faster than the RS..... that's a massive saving in anyone's book!

[aide 0]

the government would never introduce/ enforce this, the loss in taxable profits and VAT accross the modifying market would be huge, just think about how much each of us has forked out in modified parts over the years, not to mention the loss of jobs, and reduction in disposable income etc, imo it would not be offset by the tax gains for the newer cars, especially when gordo gives the 'instant gratification brigade' £2k of mine and yours hard earned tax for a new car... :bad-words:

 

and just imagine all those chavs who rass round in modified corsa or granada's, they'rd now be 20 more standing outside your local tesco metro

 

like most good things governments ban, it would just drive it underground

 

as an aside, the sooner that moron gets chucked through that black door the better

[corozin 0]

It's an under-researched and poor article which bears no relation to what the actual rules say. There's a thread on Pistonheads which has already thoroughly debunked it.

 

Nothing to see... move along everyone :)

[Philmo 0]

It's an under-researched and poor article which bears no relation to what the actual rules say. There's a thread on Pistonheads which has already thoroughly debunked it.

 

Nothing to see... move along everyone :)

 

Precisely!!

James Wallace is either mis-representing the position, or simply can't read english!!

[coullstar 0]

When I got my car MOT'd the guy new the engine wasnt original to the car and asked what year it was from. Stupidly I told him it was 2001 so he tested the cars emissions as a 2001. It promptly failed but that was for another reason.

 

Ive not changed my V5 to reflect my new engine as TBH I didnt even realise it had this on, thought it was just chassis number and capacity.

 

What I'll do is be a guinea pig and submit my V5 with the new engine etc and see what happens. Luckily I the receipt for engine and work done along with the manuf logbook from the original car so shouldnt be any issues.