VR or valver?

[marshole82 0]

Well, i don't want an opinion on what's better, just on the difference in their characteristics.

 

I loved my old KR, how freely it revved and clawed the road past almost effortlessley, especially for 'just' 147bhp (it was a little modded).

 

I want another, but they are becoming quite hard to find, especially an early one, and most for sale that i seem to come accross within a tangeable distance are of the VR mould.

 

A friend of mine who has owned both a mk2 KR and a mk3 VR has said that characteristically they aren't too different - almost that the VR is just as happy and as quick to rev as the KR.

 

What are people's opinions on this?

 

It would open up the possibility of some 6-pot goodness in the future if it's true!

 

cheers all

[Kevin Bacon 5]

The VR6 is lazy below 4000rpm as well, so in that respect it's just like a valver!

[Jim Bowen 1]

Drop a gear and floor it, cures the lazyness

[Kevin Bacon 5]

Exactly. That's what I've started saying to people who keep moaning about TDIs making a fool of them. If you can't keep with a TDI, you're in the wrong gear!

[Jim Bowen 1]

Didn't work against the Porsche C4S the other day, he came strolling past me. :(

[coullstar 0]

Thats not diesel though...

[southerner88 10]

Ive just got rid of the kr and now have a vr. Both feel pretty much the same on the road, vr feels a fair bit quicker in my opinion....main difference for me... gotta be the sound, foot down in the vr and you will just sit there smiling at the acoustics.....EVERYTIME!

[g0ldf1ng3r 13]

main difference for me... gotta be the sound, foot down in the vr and you will just sit there smiling at the acoustics.....EVERYTIME!

 

nail / head there m8!!

 

ive just had a BMC on my VR & holy mary mother of g*d it now sounds amazing :D

[Hofmiester 10]

Exactly. That's what I've started saying to people who keep moaning about TDIs making a fool of them. If you can't keep with a TDI, you're in the wrong gear!

 

Just had my golf (MK7 GT) remapped from 150bhp to 180bhp and 400Nm........ the torque is brutal. The SC Vr6 doesn't get going until 4000 rpm by which point the Golf would have a good headstart. Only chance to catch is if you have a long stretch but in most day to day traffic scenarios, high power TDI is a winner.

 

On a stretch though, it runs out of puff at about 90 mph where as the SC VR6 is just getting started :)

[Kevin Bacon 5]

/\ Yeah exactly! BMW forums have exactly the same debate with the 335d vs M3. Diesel is great for pulling a couple of car lengths on someone caught napping in the wrong gear / rpm, but if the M3 driver and 335d driver were both alert and Mr M3 was in the right gear and uses the full rev range, it would waste the 335d every time :)

 

I've yet to drive a diesel that has a broad enough power band to worry a well driven petrol of the same hp.

 

But diesel is fun in a point and squirt way. Just a shame the fun ends just as it gets started. Very frustrating!!

Edited November 15, 2013 by Kevin Bacon

[vw rule 19]

Yeah I found the 16 valvers do rev quite well but you've got to really rev them,

below 55 MPH, where as the 8v's have better low down rev / power delivery.

 

I've driven a Corrado 2.9 VR6 but that was a mates car that he had years ago.

I've also driven a MK3 Golf 2.8 VR6 and found both are good through all the rev rages,

with a good sharp power delivery.

I'd go with the VR6 over the 16v as they've got better power delivery,

the 16v feels like it's really on it's limit at high revs,

where as the VR6 seems more balanced as the power is there slightly sooner,

like with the 8v's.

 

 

What about the VR6 2.8 / 2.9 24v engine or head are they any good on power,

I'm only asking as I've never driven one.

 

I wanted a Corrado VR6 but went for the 2.0 16v as the insurance was cheaper back in the day,

my 2.0 16v is good but it does run out of puff towards the rev limit,

where as the 1.8 16v (KR) seems to rev a bit freer and has better power delivery.

 

I think the 1.8 16v (KR) came from the MK2 Golf (hot hatch)

so it's always been it little gem of an engine from day one,

where as the 2.0 16v (9A) came from the Passat (a family estate car)

I don't think VW changed the (9A) spec at all when they fitted it in the Corrado,

so it was never really set up from standard to perform as well as the KR engine.

 

Don't get me wrong I love my Corrado that I've got but at some point,

I might jump for the VR6 in the future.

 

I've seen a few look alike super cars (Kit cars) like the Ferrari 355 (base car used MK2 Toyota MR2)

Ferrari 360 / and a Ferrari 430 (base car used MK3 Toyota MR2)

http://www.kitcarlist.com/ferrari-replica-kits.html

 

I think as well there's a Lamborghini Gallardo (base car used I think is a Peugeot 406 coupe)

http://addah0524.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/lamborghini-kit-car.html

 

 

 

Hope you find another Corrado or at least a car you really want.

 

Si

[EJ Taylor 22]

dude you are some sort of c unt i just clicked on that link and it took me to porn. go fu ck yourself! On my work computer aswell. not cool

[vw rule 19]

NO THERE IS NONE OF THAT CRAP on those links.

Not unless your a pervo and your in to that,

and you've clicked on some other site :oops:

 

Someone would have to be a sick turd to put that kind of muck,

up on any forum / site.

 

Those links are 100% about the Ferrari / Lamborghini kit cars.

 

OVER AND OUT :nono:

 

Si :bad-words:

[EJ Taylor 22]

well now it directing me to the lambo kit, but last time i cliked on it, it took me to some xhamster foot porn wierdo ****. something weird going on here.

[Kevin Bacon 5]

Links look OK to me.

 

Hamsters and foot porn you say? :norty:

[vw rule 19]

I've clicked on those links now quite a few times,

and they 100% open up as the KIT CAR sites.

 

Please can we have one of the Corrado Forum administrators,

to click on both the links in question,

to put every body's mind at rest.

 

 

Many thanks.

 

Si :salute:

[EJ Taylor 22]

yer mr bacon has. still suspicious about the whole thing. but hey ho

[vw rule 19]

Yeah that's what I get Kev they open up 100% as the KIT CAR.

I've checked loads of times now.

 

Si

[Kevin Bacon 5]

What about the VR6 2.8 / 2.9 24v engine or head are they any good on power,

I'm only asking as I've never driven one.

 

Very strong torque between 2500-3000rpm, but then feels kind of flat, then gets better again at 4000rpm upwards. 5000 - 7000rpm is very strong on the R32.

 

Too much electronic interference (as in sticking it's beak in) on that engine though. It could be a lot better with a less intrusive ECU.

[dragon green 4]

Links work ok for me,

[vw rule 19]

Cool, cheers for that Kev.

 

Kev have you got the MK4 Golf then R32 ??

Or have you put a R32 lump in your Corrado ??

 

If so whats the difference in power and handling,

between the two.

 

 

Cheers.

 

Si

[Kevin Bacon 5]

Cool, cheers for that Kev.

 

Kev have you got the MK4 Golf then R32 ??

Or have you put a R32 lump in your Corrado ??

 

If so whats the difference in power and handling,

between the two.

 

I have indeed sir and prior to that I had an R32 engine in my Corrado. That's currently owned by a member on here :)

 

I mentioned before in a similar discussion that I felt the MK4 R32 handled better than my Corrado, but that didn't go down to well :lol:

 

So I'll have a change of tact and say the MK4 R32 is far more effortless to hustle along a B road quickly. How's that for diplomacy? :D

 

In terms of performance between the two, surprisingly they feel about the same to me. I know that sounds odd given the Corrado's 250Kg weight advantage, but to me at least, they feel evenly matched.

 

What I would say is my Corrado handled better than MK5 R32. They really do feel their weight when you throw into a corner. The MK4 is much stiffer sprung.

Edited November 15, 2013 by Kevin Bacon

[marshole82 0]

General consensus is either get a VR or R32 it....

 

...but a valver is just fine anyway lol

[Swompy 0]

Nothing wrong with the 2.8 24v engines either it's a great improvement on the vr6 engine just doesn't have the induction roar!

 

Mines for sale in the for sale section ;)

Edited November 15, 2013 by Swompy

[marshole82 0]

Nothing wrong with the 2.8 24v engines either it's a great improvement on the vr6 engine just doesn't have the induction roar!

 

Mines yon for sale in the for sale section ;)

 

And yours is perfect mate, its the sort I'll be looking for when I can save up a bit!