a_riot 0 Posted April 22, 2019 I will be contacting Bosch tomorrow, just hope they have a definitive answer whether it is indeed a 4 bar. I'll be surprised if you get a definitive answer. Here is the excerpt from a Pierburg catalog. You can see a 3 bar pump is listed for the 2.9 engine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 22, 2019 Thanks for the info Riot, what I'm asking Bosch, the pump your manufacturing what bar is it, because for a late model VR6 you want a 4 bar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fendervg 33 Posted April 22, 2019 I just did the replacement on my car this afternoon - original pump was a Pierburg, replaced with a VDO one and matching sender for the fuel gauge. Fairly straightforward - when you get the metal cover off the tank hole, disconnect the loom and run the engine until it dies to empty the lines and then the lock ring can be undone with a large flat and a mallet by tapping it gently counter clockwise. Most of the hose clamps won't be reusable, so make sure you have some replacements handy. The spade connectors for power to the pump itself will swap straight over, they are different sizes for earth and +12V, so you can't mix them up. The sender ones you will need to cut and splice - I made up some short leads with spades on the end and crimped them to the two existing wires - the Pierburg unit has the wires connected inside the sender, so no way of getting them out easily - I don't think it matters which way round they go. Hardest part was mounting the new pump into the lock ring in the tank floor, and then fitting the seal on the white cap - a little bit of petrol helps, and the easiest way was to peel the seal off the cap, fit it to the metal opening and the gently lower the lid into place - if it's not on right the lock ring won't go on properly. Reconnect, run engine and check for leaks with the metal cover still off, if good, stick it back on and job done. It might just be in my head, but the car definitely feels stronger now on a short test drive with the new pump fitted, and seems to run happier overall - I guess the 25 year old original pump was probably pushing on a bit and might not have been keeping a steady flow. Time will tell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) New fuel pump another bit of reliability that's what you need in a Rado ha. Edited April 23, 2019 by Keyo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Right just to confirm I spoke to Bosch earlier and I have returned the pump as it is 3 bar even though Euro car parts advertise it a 4 bar. I believe this is the correct pump ? If so anyone know anywhere to get the same one cheaper. ? Cheers. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VDO-Fuel-Pump-4bar-Electric-For-VOLKSWAGEN-CORRADO-E22-041-060Z/312552428227?epid=1416938808&hash=item48c59392c3:g:Jk0AAOSwwJJcoDwx Here is the cheapest place to get the sender that I could find, and good service arrived in a few days. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-VDO-221-833-002-011Z-FUEL-LEVEL-SENDER-VW-WHOLESALE-PRICE-SALE/163183083932?epid=249158734&hash=item25fe78419c:g:dmAAAOSwNSxVW4D6&frcectupt=true Edited May 27, 2019 by Keyo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fendervg 33 Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Yeah, that's the correct one, identical to the one I fitted yesterday. The cost price over here in Ireland was €185.00, ao I don't think you will get it much cheaper, but worth checking around. Have a look on German eBay with that part number. If you can get the pump body insert on it's own, it's very easy to swap over but I wasn't able to find one. The sender unit on your old one should be a white plastic rectangle with the float arm attached that clips into the body of the swirl pot, you'll need to swap this over. Edited April 23, 2019 by fendervg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Thanks Fen. I've managed to find this but I have used this company before and they have a .co.uk website but take ages to deliver and are in fact based in Germany. Not a bad price for both pump and sender. Im going to see if VDO UK can match their prices as their HQ is located in Birmingham and I can just collect them as they will have to order in from Germany but only two days, also any problems I can just pop them back to them rather then sending back to Germany. Link https://www.buycarparts.co.uk/basket VDO UK also do all the single platform instuments. https://www.vdo.co.uk/meta-navigation/contact/ Edited April 23, 2019 by Keyo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 23, 2019 Is it worth getting the sender as well even though I should have the correct one as its a late VR6 1995 model? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fendervg 33 Posted April 23, 2019 That's a good price for the VDO - but worth checking with them directly to see if they can match it. That site also shows some mad cheap ones that are also rated 4 bar and look superficially identical, but not sure about Vemo/John's etc. as brands ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 23, 2019 Thanks Fen, Would you get the sender to as must be looking pretty tatty I imagine. VW Heritage are selling a aftermarket JP pump and housing for a whopping £350 and you can get the original pump and sender for under £200 wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fendervg 33 Posted April 23, 2019 If your sender is working fine and is the correct late one for the VDO pump body, I would just swap it over - they tend to be pretty clean sitting in petrol all day long. Just be careful when removing it from the old swirl pot, as sometimes the plastic can be brittle and breaks easily. or for peace of mind and at that price I'd get a new one (I had to anyway as mine was a Pierburg) and keep it as a spare or give it to someone else who is upgrading their pump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 23, 2019 Is the swirl pot part of the sending unit . Cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fendervg 33 Posted April 23, 2019 The swirl pot is the white plastic part that sits around the actual pump (the body in effect) and locks into the bottom of the tank. The actual pump is just a metal cigar shaped cylinder with an inlet/outlet which is mounted inside the swirl pot. There's a couple of Torx screws on top, if you undo them you can remove the "lid" and take out the pump body. The fuel level sender clips into the side of the swirl pot, and comes off as a separate part. The pump body looks something like this: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Ok thanks the pump I have just ordered form these lot comes with the swirl pot. Came to just under £135.00 plus delivery. Will decide whether I should get a sender which can be purchased off ebay . https://www.buycarparts.co.uk/vdo/1737314 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-VDO-221-833-002-011Z-FUEL-LEVEL-SENDER-VW-WHOLESALE-PRICE-SALE/163183083932?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144 I would say the above is the cheapest option for the correct OE set up and also much better value then what VW Heritage offer which is not far off double the price and you would not describe JP Group as a market leading automotive manufacturer if you know what I mean. Thanks for everyone's help . Edited April 23, 2019 by Keyo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fendervg 33 Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Here's some more pics, showing the different parts of the VDO pump - left to right, full pump body with swirl pot, sender unit, swirl pot and pump disassembled, pump body and then the complete unit. Edited April 23, 2019 by fendervg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted April 23, 2019 Good pics Fen I think this leaves everyone a clear description of what should be sourced for a Corrado VR6 fuel pump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VR6 South 0 Posted May 5, 2019 Here's some more pics, showing the different parts of the VDO pump - left to right, full pump body with swirl pot, sender unit, swirl pot and pump disassembled, pump body and then the complete unit.Do you know if is it possible to buy the pump on its own? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VR6 South 0 Posted May 5, 2019 Thanks Fen. I've managed to find this but I have used this company before and they have a .co.uk website but take ages to deliver and are in fact based in Germany. Not a bad price for both pump and sender. Im going to see if VDO UK can match their prices as their HQ is located in Birmingham and I can just collect them as they will have to order in from Germany but only two days, also any problems I can just pop them back to them rather then sending back to Germany. Link https://www.buycarparts.co.uk/basket VDO UK also do all the single platform instuments. https://www.vdo.co.uk/meta-navigation/contact/ Which Pump did you go for? The VDO one is over £290! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) I went for the VDO pump as it was 4 bar and the Bosch was only 3 bar, it only cost me £135.00 plus delivery , they must of made a price error and they honoured it :dance: I went for pump and sender just because I don't mind changing any part that is over 20 years old and can cross it off the part could easily fail list. Here is the cheapest I could find today. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VDO-Fuel-Pump-4bar-Electric-For-VOLKSWAGEN-CORRADO-E22-041-060Z/312552428227?epid=1416938808&hash=item48c59392c3:g:Jk0AAOSwwJJcoDwx Edited May 5, 2019 by Keyo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fendervg 33 Posted May 5, 2019 Do you know if is it possible to buy the pump on its own? Have never seen one yet, but I'm sure they're available somewhere. I'll have a look and see if there's a part number on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VR6 South 0 Posted May 5, 2019 I went for the VDO pump as it was 4 bar and the Bosch was only 3 bar, it only cost me £135.00 plus delivery , they must of made a price error and they honoured it :dance: I went for pump and sender just because I don't mind changing any part that is over 20 years old and can cross it off the part could easily fail list. Here is the cheapest I could find today. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VDO-Fuel-Pump-4bar-Electric-For-VOLKSWAGEN-CORRADO-E22-041-060Z/312552428227?epid=1416938808&hash=item48c59392c3:g:Jk0AAOSwwJJcoDwx Thanks. I have pulled a spare VDO pump apart today. The pump sounds a bit sticky. I vale a Pierburg Pump fitted at the moment which is being temperamental. The Pierburg pumps look to be sealed units unlike the VDO ones. It would be good if I could just replace the pump in the VDO unit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VR6 South 0 Posted May 5, 2019 Have never seen one yet, but I'm sure they're available somewhere. I'll have a look and see if there's a part number on it. The part number is 1H0906091C. A quick search comes up with quite a few results except the part number ends in a different letter. Any ideas if the last letter makes a difference? Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bauhaus 3 Posted May 5, 2019 Not sure if they still do it but Stealth used to do a kit to just replace the pump, ideal if your swirl pot and fuel sender is still ok Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) This is what VW Heritage offer JP Group pump + housing but sold out and more expensive then the VDO. https://www.vwheritage.com/1h0919651q-fuel-pump-with-housing-for-g60-and-vr6-vw-spare I believe this is the same pump but I would still check it's 4 bar and do a bit of research. You would have to source the sender to but a phone call to JP Group should sort that out , reckon it will be around £110 all in . Do make sure that it is 4 bar , my Bosch was advertised as 4 bar but I called up Bosch and they declared no its a 3 bar we recommend you only use a 4 bar pump. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-JP-GROUP-Fuel-Feed-Unit-1115202700-Top-Quality/192891170149?epid=1180809074&hash=item2ce935ad65:g:DS8AAOSwyHRaubr4&frcectupt=true The thing is though is your a 3 bar pump if its a Peirburg so maybe you should not get a 4 bar . Some bargains here for the 4 cylinder Corrados Fuel pumps. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pierburg-Fuel-Pump-721088-VW-Corrado-Jetta-Golf-Mercedes-C32-AMG-SL55-AMG/254176099712?hash=item3b2e137d80:g:VEkAAOSw7D9cl9-m&frcectupt=true Edited May 5, 2019 by Keyo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyo 47 Posted May 5, 2019 What year is your chassis number ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites