Black magic returns home

[Keyo 47]

Just now, Dox said:

The fan you want to use?

The Hella one I have chap is the same as the last part number with L 450/250/80 

[Keyo 47]

Here is the spec of the Hella fan. 

This is Hella catalogue for Corrado- as you will see looks like they have ended pretty much their part manufacturing for the rado, they have stopped making the fan I purchased- have also noticed they have stopped making the side indictors so worth grabbing some spares of the last ones on ebay. 

Fan

https://web.tecalliance.net/hella/en/parts/2/8EW%20009%20144-541/detail?targetType=cars&targetId=1755&typeNumber=1755&groups=508#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars;mandator:hella/assem:VW%20CORRADO%20(53I)%202.9%20VR6;targetType:cars;mandator:hella;targetId:1755;typeNumber:1755/lnkparts:Radiator%20Fan;targetType:cars;mandator:hella;assemblyGroupId:100337;targetId:1755;typeNumber:1755;groups:508;brands:2;pf:2;page:0/detail:8EW%20009%20144-541;brandId:2;articleNo:8EW%2520009%2520144-541;mandator:hella;targetType:cars;targetId:1755;typeNumber:1755;groups:508

Catalogue

https://web.tecalliance.net/hella/en/parts/cars/assemblies?targetId=1755&typeNumber=1755#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars;mandator:hella/assem:VW%20CORRADO%20(53I)%202.9%20VR6;targetType:cars;mandator:hella;targetId:1755;typeNumber:1755

Edited January 18, 2021 by Keyo

[Dox 22]

So 450, 250, 80 are Watts, I’d assumed incorrectly they were RPMs.

do you have a multi meter? can you measure resistance of fast and slow speed on the fan?

[Keyo 47]

Just now, Dox said:

So 450, 250, 80 are Watts, I’d assumed incorrectly they were RPMs.

do you have a multi meter? can you measure resistance of fast and slow speed on the fan?

Im afraid not Dox.  

What is your conclusion is the fan a stage three and if so could it possibly work on three stages with only three plug pins compared to a stock four pin rado fan motor ? 

Thanks 

[Dox 22]

Unless there's a earth connection elsewhere on the fan its a two speed,  you could wire it with an external resistor to make it 3, but you'd need to know fan speeds then make a decision whether to make an extra slow speed or make a speed between the 2 existing ones then fit an appropriate sized resistor.

[Keyo 47]

8 hours ago, Dox said:

Unless there's a earth connection elsewhere on the fan its a two speed,  you could wire it with an external resistor to make it 3, but you'd need to know fan speeds then make a decision whether to make an extra slow speed or make a speed between the 2 existing ones then fit an appropriate sized resistor.

Thanks Dox that is beyond my electrical know how which is limited to say the least. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by Keyo

[Keyo 47]

If have looked into fan loom in regards to very late fan motor ending with L and have also emailed classics to ask is the fan motor a three or four pin. 

The looms were superseded but only on chassis P and R so in other words there was now update in loom in regards to chassis S 600 - this leads me to think the Fan unit ending with L has four pins and only difference from J is top output of 450. If it does have three pins then it might have a different fan module etc etc. 

536 971 281 E	wiring harness for electric fan F >> 50-P-020 000	rhd	1
(1)	536 971 281 S	wiring harness for electric fan F 50-R-000 001>>	rhd

 

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by Keyo

[Keyo 47]

Looking a the fan unit that also changed same as loom on P and R no change over on Chassis S 6000. 

[Keyo 47]

Totally recommend one of these beauties - chuffed with the quality. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Corrado-Keyring/263959919943?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

[Keyo 47]

Just spoke to Vince and Im going down a week this Saturday with the new Hella fan and shroud and Vince is going to test all three settings to see if this 3 pin works - says might have an internal resistor. 

[Keyo 47]

Opened this up to keep a gallery of the classics. ( some been and gone regrettable)

https://www.instagram.com/keyscaff1/ 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Keyo

[Dox 22]

A mate is on there, thebrown911sc

[Keyo 47]

26 minutes ago, Dox said:

A mate is on there, thebrown911sc

Will have a look love the old porkers. 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Keyo

[Keyo 47]

Ok an update on the three pin Hella fan - I didn't get to stealth last Saturday as forecast was snow and didn't want to risk the Rado with  bad drivers on the road. Anyway I cant see how it could of worked properly with three pins as speed 2 would be redundant so sent it back and got a refund . So I contacted classics and they have the part below and confirmed it is 4 pin but 400 euro, however I found another seller on ebay from Lithuania for a genuine nos unit for £230. The only difference is the highest setting (3) is 450 rather then 350 which is a good thing in my opinion. 

Genuine Volkswagen Radiator Fan NOS VW SEAT Caddy Corrado Derby 357959455L  Bosch 

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Keyo

[1xshaunx1 27]

19 hours ago, Keyo said:

Ok an update on the three pin Hella fan - I didn't get to stealth last Saturday as forecast was snow and didn't want to risk the Rado with  bad drivers on the road. Anyway I cant see how it could of worked properly with three pins as speed 2 would be redundant so sent it back and got a refund . So I contacted classics and they have the part below and confirmed it is 4 pin but 400 euro, however I found another seller on ebay from Lithuania for a genuine nos unit for £230. The only difference is the highest setting (3) is 450 rather then 350 which is a good thing in my opinion. 

Genuine Volkswagen Radiator Fan NOS VW SEAT Caddy Corrado Derby 357959455L  Bosch 

 

I can only see this being delivered the same as the one you are sending back. I say this because it ends L, and has no mention of it being the same as J. The one you are sending back was cross referenced to match L too. Have they sent you a photo with 4 pins?

[Keyo 47]

22 minutes ago, 1xshaunx1 said:

I can only see this being delivered the same as the one you are sending back. I say this because it ends L, and has no mention of it being the same as J. The one you are sending back was cross referenced to match L too. Have they sent you a photo with 4 pins?

I contacted classics mate and asked them how many pins and they said 4. 

Also found this for reference. 

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-599043877-motoventilador-passat-28-357959455l-_JM

It is also listed on etka for corrado. with towing so thats why it got the extra beef power on setting 3 mucker 😄 450 badboys. 

Would attach pics but not working for me today click on link and you will see pics. 

From classics. 

Dear Kieran,

this fan has 4 pins, as far as I can see this was also the only fan fo the ABV engine no matter if the vehicle has ac or not.

Kind regards

That means 4 pins and the only one they have available for corrado and it dont matter if you have aircon or not. 

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by Keyo

[Keyo 47]

One above is in Mexico works out £211 without postage.  

[Keyo 47]

Vemo did a version of it as well with 4 pin but now obsolete . Dont ask me why aftermarket is now all 3 pin . 

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-vemo-parts/auxiliary-fan-assembly-no-longer-available/357959455l~vem/

Edited February 4, 2021 by Keyo

[Dox 22]

Fan, radiator 357959455L OE Number buy online (onlinecarparts.co.uk)

[Keyo 47]

15 minutes ago, Dox said:

Fan, radiator 357959455L OE Number buy online (onlinecarparts.co.uk)

They are all three pins and the ones showing as not available the Vemo and Bosch are 4 pin.  Im not sure why so many are making 3 pin when part number from factory ending with L is 4 pin - also they have the part ending with K and J saying will  fit for 3 pin but all these fans from factory are Bosch 4 pin. I have a k and J fan here and they are both 4 pin. Can anyone make sense of this or they just expect you  only to use two of the settings from the factory electrics ? 

 

• SEAT - VW - OE-100959455K
• SEAT - VW - OE-100959455L
• SEAT - VW - OE-357959455H
• SEAT - VW - OE-357959455J
• SEAT - VW - OE-357959455K
• SEAT - VW - OE-357959455L
• SEAT - VW - OE-6K0959455
• SEAT - VW - OE-6K0959455F

Please note that the final check for compatibility is p

Edited February 4, 2021 by Keyo

[Keyo 47]

Black magic will be upgraded in the next couple of months  to  my own take on a special edition- just getting the parts together . Here is one of the nos parts that will be needed for one of the upgrades.  This part I will be modding it. 

 

 

[Dox 22]

6 speed?

[Keyo 47]

33 minutes ago, Dox said:

6 speed?

Your thinking is logical- a big reveal will be updated on my thread latter in Spring. 

[Dox 22]

Sequential?

[Keyo 47]

4 minutes ago, Dox said:

Sequential?

Cant give no more away Dox its just a teaser for now but all will be revealed.