Andi

So am I winning so far then??

 

No, 'cos the C is a driver's car - and yours ain't been driven enough!

 

So I win

Andy u done alot of miles, is that mostly motorway milage?

 

Yup. None of my biatches are local.... :evil: :D

Mine's a motorway muncher, 183k :shock:

And Nigel has the cheek to call me a geek!! :study:

i am going to use the glove box light i think if the circuit will take it

 

I run my speed camera detector and my satnav GPS receiver off the wiring to the glove box light (easiest location for ignition-only power!) and they work fine.

though it is more for the american-spec vr6's as our vr6 engine code is abv not aaa(and of course 2.9l not 2.8l) i'm sure a fair bit of it will apply to ours

 

Yeah, its an American document, but as you say, not a great deal of difference!

 

Luckily, I didn't type the lot.

However, the original source didn't know how to spell (other than Americanisms) and the formatting was all over the place - so its taken me quite a while to clean it up and make it readable!

 

I hope you all enjoy it :)

Volkswagen VR-6 Engine w/ Motronic Engine Management System

Technical Manual - Service Training Self-Study Program 402

 

 

Introduction

 

Volkswagen has developed a new six-cylinder engine called the VR-6.

This 2.8-litre engine is unique in that the V-angle between cylinder banks is 15° rather than the 60° or 90° found in most conventional V-6 engine designs. The engine features a cast-iron crankcase, one light alloy crossflow cylinder head with two valves per cylinder operated by chain-driven overhead camshafts. All fuel and ignition requirements of the VR-6 engine are controlled by the Bosch Motronic M2.9 Engine Management System. This Engine Management System features an air mass sensor, dual knock sensors for cylinder-selective ignition knock regulation, and Lambda regulation. Exhaust gases are channelled through a 3-way catalytic converter.

 

Engine Specifications

Engine code: AAA (US-spec)

Design: Four-stroke, internal combustion engine in "Vee"/in-line

Displacement: 2.8 litre

Bore diameter: 81.0 mm

Stroke: 90.0 mm

"Vee" angle: 15°

Compression ratio: 10:1

Fuel and ignition systems: Bosch Motronic M2.9

Emission control: Lambda control with catalytic converter

 

The name, VR-6, comes from a combination of Vee and the German word Reihenmotor. The combination of the two can be roughly translated as "in-line Vee". Volkswagen has designed the 15° VR-6 to take advantage of conventional in-line six-cylinder engine features (single cylinder head, narrow width and excellent balancing) with the advantages of a V-6 engine design (short overall length and compactness).

 

VR-6

The VR-6 was specifically designed for transverse installation in front-wheel-drive vehicles. By using the narrow 15° VR-6 engine, it was possible to install a six-cylinder engine in existing Volkswagen models.

 

V-6 Conventional Design

A wider V-6 engine of conventional design would have required lengthening existing vehicles to provide enough crumple zone between the front of the vehicle and the engine, and between the engine and the passenger cell.

Using the narrow VR-6 engine will help Volkswagen meet current and future front-end crash standards.

 

Overview

The drop-forged steel, six-throw crankshaft runs in seven main bearings. The connecting rod journals are offset 22° to one another. Overhead camshafts (one for each bank of cylinders) operate the hydraulic valve lifters which, in turn, open and close the 39.0-mm intake valves and 34.3-mm exhaust valves. Because of the special VR-6 cylinder arrangement with two rows of combustion chambers in the same cylinder head, the intake runners between the two cylinder banks are of varying lengths. The difference in intake length is compensated in the overhead intake manifold. Each runner is 420 mm long. Exhaust gases are channelled from two 3-branch cat-iron exhaust manifolds into a sheathed Y-pipe. From there, they are channelled into a single flow before passing over the heated Oxygen Sensor and then to the catalytic converter.

The oil pump driveshaft is driven by the intermediate shaft.

Fuel injectors of the Bosch M2.9 Engine Management System are mounted behind the bend of the intake manifolds. Besides being the optimum location for fuel injection, this location also helps shield the injectors during a frontal impact.

The water pump housing is cast integral with the engine crankcase. In addition to the belt-driven water pump, VR-6 engine will use an auxiliary electric pump to circulate water while the engine is running and during the cooling fan after-run cycle.

In the interest of environmental friendliness, a replaceable oil filter cartridge is used on the VR-6 engine.

The sump-mounted oil pump is driven via the intermediate shaft. An oil pressure control valve is integrated in the pump.

 

Crankcase

The crankcase is made from Perlitic grey cast iron with micro-alloy. Two banks of three cylinders are arranged at a 15° axial angle from the crankshaft. The cylinder bores are 81 mm in diameter with a spacing of 65mm between cylinders. They are staggered along the length of the engine block to allow the engine to be shorter and more compact than conventional V-6 engines.

The centreline of the cylinders is also offset from the centreline of the crankshaft by 12.5 mm.

To accommodate the offset cylinder placement and narrow "Vee" design, the connecting rod journals are offset 22° to each other.

This also allows the use of a 120° firing interval between cylinders.

The firing order is: 1, 5, 3, 6, 2, 4.

 

Cylinder Head

The aluminium cross flow cylinder head is manufactured in a permanent mould casting. The combustion-chamber side of the head is hardened through a separate chill casting. Twenty stretch bolts are used to retain the cylinder head to the block.

These bolts are accessible even with the camshafts installed. However, it is necessary to re-torque the bolts after installation. Holes for bolts, numbers 12 and 20 are sleeved to make cylinder head installation easier.

To help optimize flow through the cylinder head, the area above the valve seats has been machined. Valve shaft diameter has been reduced to 7.0 mm during development.

Cylinders 1, 3, and 5 have short intake runners and long exhaust runners while cylinders 2, 4, and 6 have long intake runners and short exhaust runners.

A cross flow cylinder head has allowed the use of a single cylinder exhaust manifold rather than a manifold for each bank.

 

Combustion Chamber

The surface of the combustion side of the cylinder head is flat. The combustion chamber is formed by the shape of the piston head. Ten different piston designs were tested during development of theVR-6 engine. The result of these tests was the selection of a slanted piston head within eccentric trough. The trough is offset from the centre of the piston by 4.0 mm. Compression gap height (at TDC) is 1.5 mm. The compression ratio is10:1.

 

Chain tensioners

Operated by oil pressure and spring tension. The camshafts are driven by a two-stage chain-drive system located on the flywheel side of the engine. Chains were selected to drive the valve train in consideration of a Diesel version of the VR-6 engine.

A single chain (lower) is driven by the crankshaft which, in turn, drives an intermediate sprocket and shaft at a ratio of 3:4. The intermediate shaft sprocket drives the camshafts via a double roller chain (upper) at a ratio of 2:3. A double roller chain is used to drive the camshaft sprockets because it must transfer more torque than the lower chain.

The specific gear ratio selection was chosen in order to keep the camshaft sprocket size small. This helps keep the overall engine height to a minimum. Chain tension is maintained by two chain tensioners. The upper chain tensioner is hydraulically operated by engine oil pressure and spring tension. The lower chain tensioner (with mechanical lock) is operated by spring tension and lubricated with engine oil. Chain flutter is prevented by guide rails on the slack side of both chains.

 

Engine Cooling System

The VR-6 Engine uses an impeller-type water pump driven by the poly-ribbed belt. The pump housing itself is cast into the engine block adjacent to cylinder number 2.

In addition, an Auxiliary Electric Coolant Pump also circulates engine coolant anytime the ignition is switched on. The Auxiliary Electric Coolant Pump also runs when the engine is switched off and the coolant temperature goes over 107° C (220° F). It runs in conjunction with the Radiator Cooling After-run System. Circulating the coolant during this time helps cool the engine block and prevent the possibility of air pockets forming in the cylinder head. The thermostat housing of the cooling system also houses the temperature senders G2, and F87 for the Radiator Cooling After-run System, and temperature sender G62 for the Motronic Engine Management System.

 

Intake Manifold

Volumetric efficiency must be uniform to attain smooth engine running and optimal power output under all operating conditions. This, in turn, requires identical flow conditions in the intake ports of all cylinders.

Since the lengths of the intake runners in the VR-6 cylinder head are not equal, it was necessary to compensate with the internal design of the intake manifold. All air intake passages are 420 mm long.

 

Auxiliary Drives

A double-sided poly-ribbed belt drives all the auxiliary components of the VR-6 engine. A spring-operated tensioning roller keeps the poly-ribbed belt at the proper tension. The belt tension is released by threading a long 8 mm bolt into a threaded hole on the tensioner.

 

System Overview

The VR-6 engine will use the Motronic Engine Management System version M2.9. All Corrados will have EGR while only California-version Passats will have EGR.

 

Fuel Delivery System

A two stage fuel pump supplies fuel through the filter to the fuel manifold and the four hole injectors. The pump is located in the fuel tank. The fuel manifold is located on the intake manifold. A fuel pressure regulator is attached to the fuel manifold on the fuel return side. The fuel pressure regulator is a diaphragm-type regulator. Fuel pressure is regulated depending on intake manifold pressure. As intake manifold pressure changes, the pressure regulator will increase or decrease the system fuel pressure. This maintains constant pressure differences between the intake manifold pressure and fuel pressure.

 

Two-Stage Fuel Pump

The two-stage pump has one motor that drives two separate pumps.

 

Stage One

Fuel is drawn in through a screen at the bottom of the housing by a vane-type pump. The vane-type pump acts as a transfer pump. It's designed to supply fuel to the fuel accumulator which is within the pump housing. Fuel vapours and air bubbles from fuel returning from the engine, as well as excessive fuel, is forced out of the accumulator through a fuel vent.

 

Stage Two

The gear-type pump draws fuel in from the bottom of the accumulator and through a screen. The fuel is then forced through the pump housing by the gear pump and out the top.

 

Fuel Injectors

The injectors are supplied 12 volts by the Power Supply Relay and are grounded through the Motronic ECU. They are opened sequentially in the cylinder firing order.

Injection quantity is determined by the injector opening time.

 

Fuel Tank Ventilation

The following inputs are used to control the fuel tank ventilation:

-- Engine speed

-- Engine load

-- Engine coolant temperature

-- Signal from throttle valve Potentiometer (G69)

 

Fuel vapours from the fuel tank are vented to the carbon canister. When the engine is warm and above idle speed, the vapours will be drawn into the intake manifold via the carbon canister. Depending on engine load and oxygen sensor signal, a frequency valve will regulate the quantity of vapours entering the intake manifold from the carbon canister

 

 

Carbon Canister Frequency Valve (N80)

 

The ECU determines the duty cycle of the frequency valve to regulate the flow of fuel vapours from the carbon canister to the engine. When no current is supplied to the valve, it remains in the open position. The valve is closed (duty cycle 100%) when the cold engine is started.

 

Triggering

The Carbon Canister Frequency Valve (N80) begins to operate after oxygen sensor operation has begun. Valve operation is load- and speed-dependent during driving operation. The valve is completely open at full throttle and completely closed during deceleration fuel shut-off.

 

Substitute function

If power to the valve is interrupted, the valve remains completely open. This could lead to rough running at idle speed and during partial load acceleration.

 

Self-diagnosis

The ECU recognizes open circuits and short circuits in the component.

 

 

Air Mass Sensor (G70)

 

A hot-wire air mass sensor is used to measure the airflow into the engine. The air mass sensor is attached to the air filter housing. The sensor housing includes a baffle grid which reduces air turbulence and pulses. The sensor has no moving parts. A thin, electrically-heated , platinum hot-wire in the sensor is kept 180°C (356°F) above the air temperature measured by the thin-layer platinum temperature sensor.

As airflow increases, the wires are cooled and the resistance of the sensors changes. Current to the platinum hot-wire changes to maintain the constant temperature difference. The resulting current change is converted to a voltage signal and is used by the Motronic ECU to calculate the volume of air taken in. Dirt or other contamination on the platinum wire can cause inaccurate output signals. Because of this, the platinum wire is heated to 1000° C (1832° F) for a period of one second each time the engine is switched off to burn off this dirt or contamination. If a fault develops with the signal from the air mass sensor, the signal from the throttle potentiometer is used as a substitute in order for the car to remain derivable.

 

 

Throttle Valve Potentiometer (G69)

 

The throttle valve potentiometer is connected to the throttle valve shaft. It informs the ECU about the power requested by the driver. Idle and full load switched are not incorporated in the Throttle Valve Potentiometer. Idle speed and full throttle applications are recognized by the ECU from the voltage output of the potentiometer.

 

Signal application

Throttle Valve Potentiometer signals are used for determination of idle speed stabilization, idle air volume control, fuel after-run shut-off and fuel load enrichment.

 

Substitute function

The ECU uses the Air Mass Sensor signal and engine speed signal as a replacement variables if the Throttle Valve Potentiometer fails.

 

Self-diagnosis

Self-diagnosis recognizes

-- Short circuits to positive

-- Short circuits to ground

Note: On vehicles with automatic transmission, this potentiometer is combined in a housing with the potentiometer for the transmission control.

 

 

Engine Speed / Reference Sensor (G28)

 

Engine speed and crankshaft position are registered by a single sensor located on the engine block. The sensor reads a toothed wheel mounted on the crankshaft to read engine speed. The toothed wheel has a two-tooth gap which is used as the measuring point for the crankshaft position.

 

Signal application

The signal is used for registration of engine speed and, in conjunction with the signal from the Hall Sender, for recognition of ignition TDC in cylinder Number 1.

 

Substitute function

There is no substitute functions for Speed Reference Sensor G28.

 

Self-diagnosis

The ECU recognizes a missing signal from the Speed/Reference Sensor after cranking the engine for five seconds. An impaulsing signal is recognized by self-diagnosis when the reference mark signal and Hall sender signal do not correspond.

 

 

Hall Sender (G40)

 

The Hall sender is mounted in the ignition distributor. It is an electric control switch based on the Hall effect. The hall sender consists of a magnetic enclosure and integrated semiconductor circuit (the Hall IC). The IC is made of plastic to protect it from dampness, soiling and mechanical damage. A voltage signal is generated when the trigger wheel interrupts the magnetic field created by the Hall IC. The trigger wheel turns at camshaft speed. This means that the Hall sender generates one voltage signal for every two crankshaft revolutions.

 

Signal usage

The Hall Sender (G40) signal and the Engine Speed/Reference Sensor (G28) signals are used to identify cylinder Number 1 for sequential fuel injection and knock regulation.

 

Substitute function

There is no substitute function for the Hall Sender signal. The vehicle will start and run without this signal but the ignition timing will be retarded and there will be no sequential fuel injection.

 

Self-diagnosis

The ECU will recognize a break in wiring or a continuously applied signal voltage (during start attempts as well).

 

 

Knock Sensor I (G61) And Knock Sensor II (G66)

 

Two knock sensors are used. A knock sensor works like a microphone to "listen" for spark knock or detonation.

When knocking occurs, the ignition timing is retarded until the knocking is eliminated. Since the knock limit differs from cylinder to cylinder and changes within the operating range, knock regulation is done cylinder selectively.

 

Signal usage

Knock regulation does not occur until the engine coolant temperature of 40° C (104° F) is reached. Knock sensor I (G61) monitors cylinders 1,2, and 3. Knock sensor II (G66) monitors cylinder s 4, 5 and 6. With the aid of the Hall sender signal, the ECU can determine which cylinder is knocking. The ignition angle of the knocking cylinder is retarded in steps until the knocking stops up to a maximum of 12°. If spark knock is still detected, the ECU will retard the ignition timing 11° for all cylinders and record a fault.

 

Substitute function

If a knock sensor fails, the ignition timing angle of its assigned cylinders is retarded.

 

Self-diagnosis

The ECU recognized an open circuit if no signal from knock sensor I (G61) or knock sensor II (G66) is received by the ECU at an engine coolant temperature above 40° C (104° F).

 

 

Oxygen Sensor (G39)

 

The oxygen sensor (G39) is made of a ceramic material called zirconium dioxide. The inner and outer surfaces of the ceramic material are coated with platinum. The outer platinum surface is exposed to the exhaust gas, while the inner surface is exposed to the outside air. The difference in the amount of oxygen contacting the inner and outer surfaces of the oxygen sensor creates a pressure differential which results in a small voltage signal in the range of 100 to 1000 mV. The amount of voltage that is produced is determined by the fuel mixture. The oxygen sensor (G39) is heated electrically to keep it at constant operating temperature. The heater also ensures that the sensor comes to operating temperature quickly. The sensor has four wires. Two are for the heating element (ground and power). One wire is a signal wire for the sensor and one for the ground.

 

Signal usage

The base injection time is corrected according to the voltage signal from the oxygen sensor to maintain a fuel/air ratio of approximately 14.7:1. This allows the three-way catalytic converter to operate at its maximum efficiency. If the fuel mixture is lean (excess oxygen), the oxygen sensor will send a low voltage signal (about 100mV) to the ECU. If the fuel mixture is rich (lack of oxygen), the oxygen sensor will send a voltage signal (about 900 mV) to the ECU.

 

Substitute function

There is no substitute function for oxygen sensor (G39). If signal fails, no oxygen sensor regulation takes place.

 

Self-diagnosis

The ECU recognizes a fault if no reasonable signal voltage range is attained within five minutes after engine start with an engine coolant temperature over 40° C (104°F). The ECU also recognizes a open circuit in the wiring or a short circuit to ground and short circuit to positive (sensor heating).

 

 

Coolant Temperature Sensor (G62)

 

Coolant Temperature Sensor (G62) is an NTC resistor. It's located in the thermostat housing. AS engine coolant temperature rises, the resistance of the sensor goes down.

 

Signal application

Coolant temperature sensor signals are required as a correction factor for determination of ignition timing, injection timing and idle speed stabilization. In addition, these systems are activated depending on engine coolant temperature:

: Knock control

: Adaptation of idle speed volume control

: Oxygen sensor operation

: Fuel tank venting

 

Substitute function

A fixed value of 80° C (176° F) is stored in the memory of the ECU and used in case of a faulty coolant temperature signal.

 

Self-diagnosis

Self-diagnosis recognizes:

-- Short circuits to positive

-- Short circuits to ground

 

 

Intake Air Temperature Sensor (G42)

 

An intake air temperature sensor is located in the intake manifold on the left side.

 

Signal application

The signal is used for idle stabilization and as a correction factor for ignition timing.

 

Substitute function

If a failure of the Intake Air Temperature Sensor (G42) occurs, the Motronic Electronic Control Unit assumes a temperature of 20° C (68° F). If this happens, cold start problems could occur at temperatures under 0° C (32° F).

 

Self-diagnosis

The Motronic ECU recognizes open and short circuits to this component.

 

 

EGR System

 

All Corrados will come equipped with EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation). Passats sold in California will be equipped with EGR. The EGR system is used to reduce nitrous oxide emissions (Nox). The system recirculates a small portion of exhaust gas into the intake mixture. This exhaust gas is non-combustible and takes up a small space in the intake charge. The results is lower combustion temperatures and reduced Nox emissions. The EGR system does not operate at idle because Nox emissions are low during this time.

 

EGR Frequency Valve (N18)

 

The EGR Frequency Valve (N18) is mounted on the back of the intake manifold. A control pressure (vacuum) is formed in the frequency valve from the intake manifold pressure and atmospheric pressure (from the intake air elbow). This pressure is applied to the EGR valve via the EGR frequency valve (N18). The frequency valve controls the amount of vacuum supplied to the EGR valve by switching between the connection to the EGR valve and the intake air boot. Thus, the actual amount of re-circulated exhaust gas can be determined by the ECU, depending on engine speed and load conditions. A membrane valve limits the vacuum supplied to the frequency valve at 200 mbar.

 

Self-diagnosis

The ECU will recognize an open circuit or short circuit in the EGR frequency valve. If the EGR valve remains continuously open or closed because of mechanical failure, the EGR temperature sensor (G98) will signal this to the control unit.

 

Triggering

The frequency valve (N18) ground circuit is controlled by the ECU depending on engine load and speed.

 

Substitute function

There is no substitute function. If current to the frequency valve (N18) is interrupted, the EGR valve will remain closed.

 

 

EGR Temperature Sensor (G98)

 

The EGR temperature sensor (G98) is located in the EGR valve exhaust gas channel. It measures the temperature of the exhaust gas. The sensor is an NTC resistor. The electrical resistance of the sensor decreases as the temperature of the exhaust gas increases.

 

Signal usage

The signal from the EGR temperature sensor (G98) is used only for the diagnosis of the EGR system and has no influence on the control.

 

Substitute function

There is no substitute function.

 

Self-diagnosis

The EGR system is switched on when the engine coolant temperature reaches 50° C (122° F).

 

 

Crankcase Ventilation

 

Crankcase vapours are vented from the cam cover to the intake air boot. A heating element is used to prevent icing during cold weather.

PIN 1 = Positive (+)

PIN 2 - To engine ground

 

 

Idle Stabilizer Valve (N71)

 

Triggering

The idle stabilizer valve (N71) is actuated on the ground side by the ECU.

 

Substitute function

When a defect in the circuit is recognized, both output stages are shut off and the valve rotates to a fixed opening cross-section. This allows the engine to idle at a warm engine idle speed.

 

Self-diagnosis

The ECU recognizes open and short circuits in the component.

 

 

Ignition System

 

Input Signals for Regulation of Ignition System:

-- Engine speed

-- Engine load

-- Signal from knock sensors

-- Signal from throttle valve potentiometer

-- Coolant temperature

-- Signal from Hall sender

 

Functions of Ignition System:

-- Ignition timing correction

-- Dwell angle regulation

-- Idling speed stabilization

-- Selective cylinder knock regulation

 

The control unit uses the engine load and engine speed signals as well as the signal from the throttle valve potentiometer to calculate the ignition timing. If signals from the knock sensors indicate knocking combustion, the control unit retards the ignition timing of the knocking cylinder by 3° to max.12° until the knocking tendency of the concerned cylinder is reduced. When the knocking tendency no longer exists, the ignition timing is returned to the nominal value in steps of 0.5°. When knocking occurs, the ignition timing can be different for all cylinders because of the selective cylinder knock regulation. Fluctuations in the idling speed range are compensated by changing the ignition timing with the help of idling speed stabilization. The control unit receives the idling speed signal from the throttle valve potentiometer. Dwell angle regulation guarantees the necessary charging time of the ignition coil and, therefore, ignition voltage, regardless of speed and load conditions. Coolant temperature signals are required to correct the ignition timing of a cold engine and activate knock regulation.

 

 

Power Supply Components

 

Power for the Motronic Engine Management systems is supplied via Fuse

(S18) and three relays:

-- Fuel Pump Relay (J17) (Position 12)

-- Power Supply Relay (J271) (Position 3)

-- Oxygen Sensor Heater Power Supply Relay (J278) (above main Central Electric Panel)

 

There is no internal power stage relay in the Motronic ECU. Wiring for the Motronic Engine Management system is routed to the engine via a single multi-pin connector. This makes engine removal quicker and provides a test point for trouble shooting procedures. A central ground station is located on the engine block below the intake

manifold. It provides a ground point for:

-- ECUs

-- Sensors for the Motronic Engine Management system (and their shielding)

-- Output components (injectors, etc.)

And mine:

 

K-reg Kia Pride - white, piece of crap, but suprisingly quite fun to throw about. And I was given it. :shock:

H-reg MX5 Import - mod'd the hell out of it. And its still in the garage for a sunny day. :sunny:

L-reg C VR6. :king:

 

Don't plan for any other cars at the mo. Might like a 4wd sporty thing at somepoint, GT4 or Scooby or something.

 

Think I'll drive an Audi RS6 for when I have some kids... I'll be a cool Dad 8)

http://www.kevsvwspares.co.uk/

not sure whether to put this in Parts For Sale, or Caring & Repairing..

 

I would say its caring for the car, m8 - so where'd ya think .....

 

And yes, I think its a great idea - the more I can offer my users the better. We'll talk via email, Glyn..

its actually only works up to 25mph

 

Depends what you read actually.

And I found when, erm, testing it in the snow, 15mph seemed to be when it gave up and stopped trying to keep the wheels at the same speed.

Well, you get what you pay for.

 

If you spend £1200 on alloys, then your car will be perkier in the corners with better mpg.

But if you can afford £1200 for some alloys, you probably don't watch your mpg very closely......

It seems to pop up under various names - Dealer's (stupidly) refer to it as Traction Control, but really it isn't.

 

It's basically an Electronic Limited Slip Differential (which works through the ABS sensors) and only operates below 15mph.

 

Hardly sophistacated traction control! :spiderman:

 

And yeah, VR6 only.

So not sure what else the "ATC" above refers to.

But C's are cars that come with alloys as standard anyway.

 

Lighter than steelies maybe, but then I didn't think you could get steelies for a C.

 

Quality of the alloy creates a different weights -

cheap: light but flimsy

medium: heavy but strong

expensive: light and strong

 

I would assume standard 15s on a C would be the "medium" variety - and most people increase the size of their wheels when changing, so more wheel, generally more weight.

 

Bigger wheels also makes the car more susceptable to tram-lining and other effects which fight the car and will reduce mpg also.

17s are heavier than 15s :)

Bigger wheels do slow down the car with greater weight over each wheel.

 

Advantage of, if you can afford, Oz Superlights :)

ATC ???

 

Atrocious Traction Control :mrgreen:

The badger5 setup is 305mm so you'll need at least 16s to run it.

 

But at £450 including calipers, carriers, hoses, discs, pads.... ain't half-bad!!

 

"Limited stock" though... how many that means :scratch:

My MX5 kicked out flames... and yes, it has a burnt bumper :D

he "flipped" as in power-boat style?

 

Nah, just flipped :silly: :shocked!: :crazyeyes:

Red one has a big plastic duct for the intercooler

 

Yeah, forgot the G60 had the intercooler down there..

Driver's airbag gone off.

 

Do later C's have airbags?

Over than large-breasted girlfriends, of course...

 

Looking at the pic again, looks a bit too inflated to be an airbag thats gone off.

Top one is american spec late model look like a 16v

 

Centre-brake light makes it American. Five-stud wheels though - isn't that SLC? And the red-lettering under Corrado?

 

Silver one is LHD late spec cant tell on the engine

 

Again American - lack of side-repeaters. But 5-stud again? LHD? Thats why the steering wheel is on the wrong side..... :lol:

 

Red one is a non face lift g60 cant tell is its LHD OR RHD

 

Ducting from bumper to the brakes? I would guess RHD due to the position of the impact.

 

and the last one is a rhd VR6 and i think it was in the Uk

 

VR6 lump visible. Driver's airbag gone off.

I will be too :)

Just need a job first.... :roll:

Whats happened to the pics? They've gone?

 

They're still there, m8.

They'll only show if you're logged in on the site. So look again :)

 

I didn't get any pics of you, sorry m8 :(

from my whole 2 times that I've been to the track is that lower than 27psi in fronts and my times suffered. But then again I've only been to track on 2 occasions

 

The strip was very slippy.

All the time was lost on the first 1/8 mile, scrambling to get traction.

The increased drag from lower tyre pressures for the second 1/8th of a mile would be insignificant in comparison.

 

I think in this instant, it was right to lower the psi alot, in order to try and get a lot better take off, and not be spinning the wheels all the way into 3rd.

 

I also think Ant would've got better 1/4 mile times if we'd taken the car to Canada and done a 1/4 mile on a frozen lake! :)