Chris Langdon 0 Posted July 22, 2015 il be honest tho about 5 years ago, i drove a 1989 911 carrera air-cooled old skool one and have to say i was disappointed in it basically a fast beetle, the corrado is a far better car but think you have to be a hardcore Porsche nut to really appreciate them however 993 on i would say are more refined etc i still think the corrado is very good value for money!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 22, 2015 964, 993 = get your chequebook out. I remember a few years ago a 964 Carrera would have been around £15k, now about £30k minimum. 993 even more. I know :( Incidentally I've just seen a good point on PH - yes your engine could go pop but there's just as much chance you could smash it up.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim 2 Posted July 22, 2015 Difference is you'd have insurance if you crashed it! If the engine blows up, then tough **** :( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fla 9 Posted July 22, 2015 I've been reading everything there is to read about them believe me :lol: The general consensus seems to be any of the likely issues the early cars were likely to suffer would have been sorted by now. 911Virgin even recommend buying higher mileage cars rather than the lower mileage ones for this very reason. Not really a fan of the Boxster so if I do make the jump it will be a 911. I know what you mean about the age thing Coullstar but I actually prefer the older ones, ideally if I had the money it would be a 964 or 993 Oh and cheers for the love Fla :) You're welcome ;) I do like the 3.2 boxters and I'm sure you could get a hard top for it? I know its not quite the same thing as a proper non-hairdressers car though but perhaps a thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 22, 2015 Difference is you'd have insurance if you crashed it! If the engine blows up, then tough **** :( I think he just meant yes your engine could go pop but you could have a crash, you could get knocked down by a bus, you could mistakenly pick up the Deep Heat instead of the Anusol etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coullstar 0 Posted July 22, 2015 Odds are different though. You could say that about anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 20 Posted July 22, 2015 Randomly I just picked out an old vw Audi car magazine from September 95 with a corrado vr6 article in and to quote the writer: "When I first tested one for another magazine I said that in many ways the corrado vr6 took the place of an entry level Porsche when the Stuttgart marque vacated the £20,000 - £25,000 class. One year later that verdict still stands" That would have been written around the 993 era I suppose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 23, 2015 I can understand that tbh Chris - probably wasn't a lot in it back then. Plus I always assumed the Corrado was VWs "Porsche". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Portent 0 Posted July 26, 2015 My brother and I both looked at 996's recently and both came to the conclusion the engine issues would worry the hell out of us. I was only looking at the bottom end of the market so just didn't bother in the end. He was looking at the top end of the 996/997 market so just bought a used Aston Vantage instead (and absolutely loves that). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 26, 2015 My brother and I both looked at 996's recently and both came to the conclusion the engine issues would worry the hell out of us. I was only looking at the bottom end of the market so just didn't bother in the end. He was looking at the top end of the 996/997 market so just bought a used Aston Vantage instead (and absolutely loves that). I must admit I'm not really that bothered about the engine issues really Portent - any car you buy could have any number of issues and although there's a lot of internet hysteria about it, it's still a less than 5% failure rate, so if I do go ahead I'll keep my fingers crossed and if it happens it happens. I'm looking at the upper end/independant Porsche specialist trade end of the market and I'm not in a massive hurry so hopefully I'll find a good one :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Portent 0 Posted July 26, 2015 I must admit I'm not really that bothered about the engine issues really Portent - any car you buy could have any number of issues and although there's a lot of internet hysteria about it, it's still a less than 5% failure rate, so if I do go ahead I'll keep my fingers crossed and if it happens it happens. I'm looking at the upper end/independant Porsche specialist trade end of the market and I'm not in a massive hurry so hopefully I'll find a good one :) True. Things are always worse when you read about them. But my brother is not scared to get his hands dirty and recently stripped down and rebuilt his M3 engine due to vanos issues. So for him to be put off an engine tells me quite a story. The other thing he didn't like about the 996 was the poor interior. It would be a step up for me compared to my Golf or Corrado but I have to agree with him that's it could be better inside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 26, 2015 True. Things are always worse when you read about them. But my brother is not scared to get his hands dirty and recently stripped down and rebuilt his M3 engine due to vanos issues. So for him to be put off an engine tells me quite a story. The other thing he didn't like about the 996 was the poor interior. It would be a step up for me compared to my Golf or Corrado but I have to agree with him that's it could be better inside. I quite like the interior but I do agree it's quite dated now, especially compared to the 997 but I suppose it's near enough 20 year old technology now. I've pretty much convinced myself now so I will probably end up with one in the near future. That is unless I see a very nice RS4 Avant in the meantime. Oh and I've found somewhere to keep the Corrado so will hopefully be able to keep that as well. Who knows - if I find a cheap enough 911, I may be able to turbo the Corrado as well - everyone's a winner :lol: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j_s14a 0 Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) I love the look of the early base model 996, although I appreciate a lot don't. However, the interior in the 996 is horrible (especially the dash). It looks and feels very cheap. It is much improved in the 997. Although it may not even be on your radar, if you want a fast, reliable GT, you could do a lot worse than a MK4 Supra. They are incredibly tough cars, and the tuning potential is only limited by your wallet. They even look great if they haven't had awful bodykits fitted to them. This is mine :) (you may notice the splitter alters between the two pics, this is because some Supras have a speed activated 'active front spoiler', like the rear spoiler on Corrados. :) ) Oh, and prices are shooting up at the moment, so if you want one then get in quick. Edited July 27, 2015 by j_s14a Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billzeebub 1 Posted July 27, 2015 I have owned 3 Boxsters and 8 Corrados!..keep coming back to both! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mic_VR 3 Posted July 27, 2015 Which is better though Bill And I quite like that supra! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 27, 2015 I love the look of the early base model 996, although I appreciate a lot don't. However, the interior in the 996 is horrible (especially the dash). It looks and feels very cheap. It is much improved in the 997. Although it may not even be on your radar, if you want a fast, reliable GT, you could do a lot worse than a MK4 Supra. They are incredibly tough cars, and the tuning potential is only limited by your wallet. They even look great if they haven't had awful bodykits fitted to them. This is mine :) (you may notice the splitter alters between the two pics, this is because some Supras have a speed activated 'active front spoiler', like the rear spoiler on Corrados. :) ) Oh, and prices are shooting up at the moment, so if you want one then get in quick. I do actually really love those Supras - fantastic cars. My neighbour had a white one when they first come out. Thing is though, it has to be a 911. Wanted one all my life and this may well be my only opportunity to own one so I think I'm going to have to just do it! This weeks short list is 996 C4S or 997.1 C2S - both seem about the same sort of money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkFoster 0 Posted July 27, 2015 If you're going to go for a kettle, the 997 Gen1 is probably the best one to go for at the moment (give it another 5 years and the Gen2 will probably make more sense). The (facelift) 996 looks ok from the outside but the interior is truly awful and, 996 turbo aside, the 997 is a much better performer. There's loads of scaremongering on tinter web about bore scoring on the Gen 1 (and it's actually quite rare when you consider how many were sold), but they're half the price of a Gen 2, so buy a 997.1, drive it like you stole it and if the engine develops a loud ticking sound then throw it to Hartech, give them £8k to build you a bulletproof revised version and you'll still be £12k up on the smug buggers with their direct fuel injection Gen2's..... But, they're not for me. Test drove a few and to be honest they're so smooth and fast that until you're hitting 3 figures you don't feel like you're moving and as someone who's just had the pleasure of sitting in a room for 4 hours being lectured to for being a naughty boy (to avoid the points...), my appetite for trying to double the speed limit is losing it's appeal. That's why I've just bought a simple 1979 air cooled 911 with no power steering, no ABS and no traction control, which weighs 1100kgs and frankly 'feels' like it goes much more quickly up to the speed limit than most modern cars I've driven recently (997.1, 996 C4S, M3 GTP, RS4 saloon....). Be aware though that whatever you choose will make your eyes water when things go wrong with it, but, at least Porsche support owners of older models and keep the parts available unlike certain other German manufacturers..... M. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coullstar 0 Posted July 28, 2015 I completely agree with the above regarding the driving experience. Try one first before setting your heart on one, I was disappointed and Ive always wanted a 911. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim 2 Posted July 28, 2015 Surprised to see 997's are now available for under 20k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g0ldf1ng3r 15 Posted July 28, 2015 you could mistakenly pick up the Deep Heat instead of the Anusol etc ha ha ha oh my what a mistake that would be....OUCH!!! lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mic_VR 3 Posted July 28, 2015 Best Porsche I ever drove was a gt3 rs...... But whayyyy outside my budget..... Turbo the rado, that'll cheer everyone up on here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 28, 2015 If you're going to go for a kettle, the 997 Gen1 is probably the best one to go for at the moment (give it another 5 years and the Gen2 will probably make more sense). The (facelift) 996 looks ok from the outside but the interior is truly awful and, 996 turbo aside, the 997 is a much better performer. There's loads of scaremongering on tinter web about bore scoring on the Gen 1 (and it's actually quite rare when you consider how many were sold), but they're half the price of a Gen 2, so buy a 997.1, drive it like you stole it and if the engine develops a loud ticking sound then throw it to Hartech, give them £8k to build you a bulletproof revised version and you'll still be £12k up on the smug buggers with their direct fuel injection Gen2's..... But, they're not for me. Test drove a few and to be honest they're so smooth and fast that until you're hitting 3 figures you don't feel like you're moving and as someone who's just had the pleasure of sitting in a room for 4 hours being lectured to for being a naughty boy (to avoid the points...), my appetite for trying to double the speed limit is losing it's appeal. That's why I've just bought a simple 1979 air cooled 911 with no power steering, no ABS and no traction control, which weighs 1100kgs and frankly 'feels' like it goes much more quickly up to the speed limit than most modern cars I've driven recently (997.1, 996 C4S, M3 GTP, RS4 saloon....). Be aware though that whatever you choose will make your eyes water when things go wrong with it, but, at least Porsche support owners of older models and keep the parts available unlike certain other German manufacturers..... M. Your first paragraph is pretty much exactly how I'm looking at it Mark. Ideally yes I should wait til 997.2s are in my price range but I know waiting 5 years will never happen. Agree with you and Coullstar re trying before you buy as well and I'm probably going to hire one for a weekend to see if it's really what I want before I part with my cash. Yeah I understand what you're saying about the price of upkeep but speaking to a few Indys it doesn't seem a lot worse than any desireable car, but I know it's not going to be cheap The only reason I'm looking at 996/997 is because from what I can see a decent aircooled 911 is way out of my price range :( I've seen 997.1s available for just over £15k Jim. Insane money for a car of that calibre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 28, 2015 Best Porsche I ever drove was a gt3 rs...... But whayyyy outside my budget..... Turbo the rado, that'll cheer everyone up on here! FFS Mic - DON'T!!! :lol: :lol: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coullstar 0 Posted July 28, 2015 £15k!!! I was looking about a month or so ago and £20k was lower limit with between £25-30k for a half decent car. The one I tried had a full Hartech rebuild but was only a base Carrera 2. Good luck, I still really like them but they just didn't fit with what I was looking for right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 1 Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Yep seen two at that price range Coullstar and at least half a dozen below £20k but wouldn't really want a "cheap" one. The decentish looking cars start at 20-22k up from what I can see Edited July 28, 2015 by Jamie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites