4 cylinder subframes

[Keyo 47]

Think i may need a 4 cylinder subframe if anyone has one for sale in and around the Midlands- please note a VR one does not fit and mk2 is different . May be interested in a rear beam to. Must have no real nasty erosion so its beyond refurbishment.

535199315C

Thanks

[Dox 22]

I have a 1990 G60 rear beam, bare. Non ABS if it matters?

Edited November 3, 2021 by Dox

[Keyo 47]

1 hour ago, Dox said:

I have a 1990 G60 rear beam, bare. Non ABS if it matters?

Thanks It will matter i think mate  as the early beam has a different part number- im after the one ending with M No1. 

https://www.ilcats.ru/vw/?function=getParts&market=USA&model=COR&modelcode=76&year=1989&group=5&subgroup=500&part=106000&language=en

Edited November 3, 2021 by Keyo

[ger040 2]

Hello Keyo

i have a front sub frame of a 92 9a valver - to be honest i have not really looked at it 

if you want i will get it out and see how it looks

[Keyo 47]

6 minutes ago, ger040 said:

Hello Keyo

i have a front sub frame of a 92 9a valver - to be honest i have not really looked at it 

if you want i will get it out and see how it looks

Thanks Geri - thst could be an option but a sheer pain to yourself  posting something of that size - will see what comes through - I’m not sure how bad the rear beam is but I’ve got to  go to jabba to collect parts  for  powder coating,  but been told front subframe to far gone . Fir PG Chassis from M has a specific part number different to other rear beams - don’t ask my why . 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Keyo

[ger040 2]

Strange that as i would have thought all rear beams would be the same for all 4 cylinders

all rear beams eventually look like they have been siting at the bottom of the sea but they are a serious chunk of steel and should clean up ok 

No problem with the front subframe 

[Dox 22]

Do the abs sensors pass through the axle into the stub?

 

if so there will be a clearance hole in the axle?

[Keyo 47]

56 minutes ago, Dox said:

Do the abs sensors pass through the axle into the stub?

 

if so there will be a clearance hole in the axle?

I have no idea chap the beam is still on the car at jabba . 

[seanl82 23]

They don't pass through. There are plastic guides that clip onto studs on the axle. The presence of the studs is the only thing that may differ on ABS/non ABS axles.

[Keyo 47]

Looking at the rear bush its quite straight forward - all the same bush through production for 4 cylinder and all the same for VR - so its not the rear bushes hole size that changes on the PG later beam - all a bit odd- who knows what the change may be . but you can see the kr changes at the same chassis number to - introduction of abs and the stubs which could be substituted with a cable tie for cable  . 

1	191500051J	rear axle beam with stabilizer F >> 50-L-035 000 * also use: 111 611 998 357 609 734 A PG	1;1;2	09.1988 - 07.1990
(1)	191500051M	rear axle beam with stabilizer F 50-M-000 001>> also use: 1H0 609 734 PG	1;2
(1)	191500051J	rear axle beam with stabilizer F >> 50-L-035 000 also use: 111 611 998 357 609 734 A KR	1;1;2
(1)	191500051L	rear axle beam with stabilizer F 50-M-000 001>> also use: 1H0 609 734 KR,9A,2E,ADY	1;2
(1)	1H0500051G	rear axle beam with stabilizer F >> 50-S-000 361 * ABV	1	08.1990 - 07.1995
(1)	1H0500051Q	rear axle beam with stabilizer also use: also use: 20MM 1H0 609 734 D >>50-S-000361 111 611 998 535 971 851 B 535 971 852 B ABV

Edited November 4, 2021 by Keyo

[seanl82 23]

The rear stub axles are different as they have holes for the ABS sensors.

You can just about make out the plastic guides that the sensors go through. The studs for the brake pipe clips hold them in place and there are additional ones that you can't see that also hold them. 

[Keyo 47]

Good info mate- looks clean your car.

So I wonder why a PG is a different part number then the other 4 cylinders 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Keyo

[seanl82 23]

Thanks mate. Should be, it's had a nut and bolt restoration to the entire underside and running gear!

[dragon green 4]

If it helps, I’ve got a mk2 rear beam on mine, yes I’m abs, had no problems fitting it

[Keyo 47]

2 hours ago, dragon green said:

If it helps, I’ve got a mk2 rear beam on mine, yes I’m abs, had no problems fitting it

Thanks you can actually buy new rep ones of them - Im hoping as Geri says will just be surface rust. 

[Yandards 0]

It's not an ABS related change as you could specify ABS as a build option on any of the earlier cars - you also need to consider other markets as ABS was more common on the German market cars.  The stub axles are ABS/non-ABS specific as already mentioned due to the mounting holes.

As its end suffix letters it'll probably be tied to manufacturing cost reductions instead of any real changes in construction or fitting.

Not sure why the last couple of model years of production for the G60 had a different rear beam part number, especially as the KR and PG shared the same rear beam for the first couple of years.