24v V6 or R32 Factory Conversion with some extras.....

[24V Renshaw 0]

As many of you know I installed a 24V V6 MK4 Golf 4motion engine and full MK4 Golf wiring loom into my Corrado a couple of years back and its still going strong under Vick N's ownership.

 

I am thinking of offering up the service of doing the same install into any Corrado VR6 and wanted to gauge the interest from you guys if I was to do it.

 

This is not a normal "engine" swap as I would also install and integrate the entire MK4 Golf loom as I did in mine, from the the headlights to the rear lights.

This conversion would give the following advantages over an engine only swap

 

- Fully functional 24v V6 or R32 with all functionality of a factory engine.

- Complete MK4 Golf Wiring Loom, fusebox, relays etc..

- Fully functional cruise control

- MK4 Golf ABS System

- MK4 Golf ignition key and barrel

- MK4 Golf Alarm and remote central locking off the same key

- Fully functional VAG-COM diagnostics of whole car

- MK4 Golf stalks

- MK4 Climate control (not the aircon system but digital climate control)

 

There are many other benefits of this type of conversion, such as installing factory audio, fuel pump priming on opening drivers door, interior light dimming on door closure, door open warnings etc. etc.. Everything a MK4 does your Corrado could do the same, including all the MK4 factory optional extras.

 

I would be intending to offer this conversion for the same price as an engine only install (won't quote prices on here as this is not an advert, just gauging interest)

 

Obviously as I work full time in my normal job, the conversion would take something like 6 months to complete, but to an incredibly high standard of fit and finish. Would people be willing to wait that long for the conversion to be done?

 

So your thoughts/questions please, is it worth me doing?

 

Cheers

 

Jay

 

 

For those that don't know my car, this is the original build thread.

 

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5413&hilit=24v+renshaw&start=195

 

This is a picture of the finished article, but obviously does not show the wiring and all the underpinnings.

 

[Slimg60 0]

cracking idea mate. Your old Rado was (and still is) perfect. :notworthy:

i'm sure people will want this level of quality from some one wo's carried it out perviously

[dukest 0]

it would definitely be a temptation, although it would almost force someone to strip their car completely to make sure the rest was up to scratch before you started your work though. mind you, as soon as you got your first customer there would be enough waiting time for someone to get that done before you were free to start..

[mimjed 0]

think you do need to give a guide price to gauge interest really.

 

nice work by the looks of things.

[24V Renshaw 0]

it would definitely be a temptation, although it would almost force someone to strip their car completely to make sure the rest was up to scratch before you started your work though. mind you, as soon as you got your first customer there would be enough waiting time for someone to get that done before you were free to start..

 

I would assume all other aspects of the car could be updated and improved by the owner before or after I had completed the install, in the same way they would be if a conversion had not been done.

 

Mods - Can I put a price up?

 

Jay

[Jim 2]

Probably a good idea Jay.

 

What about any recourse with you in the event of any problems occurring? Sounds stupid but would you "warrant" the install or would it just be a sold as seen kind of setup?

[24V Renshaw 0]

OK rough idea of price for now would be £5500 if the engine, loom etc..were supplied.

 

I would warrant all aspects of the install functionallity for 12months after it was complete, this would not include any mechanicals (brakes, suspension, gearbox etc..) as I would not be getting involved in those. :)

 

Jay

[mimjed 0]

so £5500 for labour?

 

whats the ball park figure for parts required then?

[eugopnosaj 0]

so £5500 for labour?

 

whats the ball park figure for parts required then?

 

easiest option is to buy a v6 4motion mk4 golf....theres a couple on the bay for around 4k....

 

unfortunately its not the cheapest option...

 

Edit: Found this if anyone is interested http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/golf-v6-4motion-engine-running-gear_W0QQitemZ180498289732QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2a06895444 £650 (so far no bids) for entire car, has crash damage however but only 21hrs left...

[mimjed 0]

i can aprreciate that.

 

just trying to get an idea of total cost, so it can be compared to other options.

 

i love the idea of a modernised rado.

 

but as were all aware with vr turbo kits and the likes available it makes it a tough call.

[dukest 0]

it might be interesting to people to see if there was any difference in your price for 2.8 or 3.2 setups too Jay (if thats an option?)

[24V Renshaw 0]

An R32 install would be the same money as installing the whole loom from either car will be the same. :)

 

The engine and loom from a 4motion would be about £600/£700 I would think and the same from an R32 about £1200/£1500

 

Jay

[24V Renshaw 0]

What are peoples thoughts on the price?

 

Cheers

 

Jay

[dukest 0]

I guess my only thought on it is that the market will be very limited - ie. only to people that dont ever plan to sell their car (even if maybe they still do!). By the time you have a car of a quality that warrants spending that much on it (probably still £1500 at best even without an engine) and you've then bought the engine and any other parts needed (say £1k for argument), then you're up to a minimum of £8k, which as i understood it was a little more what your old car went for last time with all its extras.

 

By no means am i saying the work involved and the result isnt worth that, but as you know, 2nd hand cars of that nature take some selling when compared against the prices of standard corrados or standard 4motions. I guess that still applies to any paid-for 24v conversion though :shrug:

 

What about if you offered a service to convert everything to the spec required for someone to do a diy installation? Maybe you could turn those over much quicker and the price wouldnt be as much to take on for someone who fancied giving the install work a go themselves?

[mimjed 0]

truthfully to me it seems a little bit steep with a 6 month wait on it, but not fully knowing whats involved i cant justify that thought.

 

i know what you are offering is pretty specialised and therefore it will cost a few quid.

 

im starting to want more power so im unsure where to go at the mo, hence my interest in the subject.

 

love my dubs, but jap motors seem to be power friendly and generally not short of modern bits. sorry rambling

[24V Renshaw 0]

Of course I appreciate it is an incredibly narrow market, but I would only be expecting to do one a year at most and I would to a large degree be doing it because I would enjoy it, as lets face it the hourly rate would be shocking! LOL

If there is someone who wants a reliable modern version of the corrado with all the features of modern cars, but without removing any aspect of the Corrado which makes it great then this is for them.

 

I was pricing it based on a quote I got from a well known VW Tuner for an engine only conversion of a 24v, dropped into a VR, and spliced into the VR loom, which was £5800. This is purely just a replacement of the engine, so if you then added climate control, cruise control, MK4 Alarm and key and all the functionality I am talking about you would be well up towards 10K for them to do the same I would imagine. If they would even entertain the idea at all.

 

Of course people could buy an already converted car with all the MK4 loom etc installed to the standard I am talking about, but there is only one I know of in the UK at least and that is my old one, which I sold for £11,500 :D

 

Of course the R32 option also opens up a huge potential in power and all the upgrades you can buy and install on a MK4 R32 could be added to this kind of install, as again you are basically dealing with a MK4 in a corrado bodyshell.

Even Haldex would work if someone decided to go 4x4 :shock: :)

 

Cheers

 

Jay

[coullstar 0]

I can see the appeal of having the whole shooting match into the car. I will admit though that apart from a little hiccup with the loom on my car it has run perfectly and just like any VR albiet with missing MFA functions.

 

Price wise maybe a touch high as I had the conversion done including engine cost, new clutch etc for just under £4k. Ok its not to the same spec but depends on what you want. I think those contemplating this over a turbo have to remember this is a newer, more refined engine where as with the turbo they better be sure thier 12v is in good shape before bolting on the turbine.

Having both now I can safely say for smiles its the turbo but for everyday usablity miles my 24v is better.

[Guest]

to me this seems like a fairly good price for what you are talking about

how much is an r32 mk4 8 - 10k

mk5 15k +

so a rado with all the benefits of a mk4 for around 8k -9k done with haldex included that seems ok for those who dont wana get involed in the hard work

like already said im sure the market aint massive but 1 a year to me is do-able

 

and jay if any1 has seen your old rado in the flesh (which i have) will nodoubtly recommend your work as being top notch, good look with your idea

[Andy665 0]

Call it 6k for the conversion and engine, 3k for a decent car to begin with and for 9k you have a car that will stand comparison with something newer, less characterful and more expensive - seems like a sensible option for some but I think you'd have to be pretty sure that you will be keeping the car for the long-term

[g60greeny 0]

hmmm

r32 loop gti :lol:

[g60greeny 0]

but serious though,is it poss :scratch:

[Slimg60 0]

Anythings possible, but i think that twin engine'd lupo has required a lot of chopping to get a v6 up front.

[g60greeny 0]

yeah i dont think its gonna be as easy as a 20v t conversion

[junkie 0]

Even that's not totally simple.

[Kevin Bacon 5]

If I was going to spend that sort of money on a Corrado, I'd do something far more interesting than an OEM+ conversion..... http://www.schimmelperformance.com/main ... orrado.htm