Rob's R32 Corrado - FOR SALE :(

[herisites 0]

Well Kev's gone already, didn't quite go as I'd hoped :( We got the rev counter working, tried wiring up the water and oil temp/pressure senders but didn't seem to work as we thought so still nothing getting to the clocks (and an annoying buzzing now that won't stop!). We did however take it for a spin, and it's not 100% happy and seems to be in limp mode, silly Kevin forgot his VAG-COM lead :brickwall: so we couldn't see what it was unhappy about either. It's running rich and is not happy at all idling when hot, revving it is perfectly crisp (and sounds lush) but when dropping back to idle it's very lump and almost dies. It should hopefully just be something simple, but need to get it to Vince really so we can double check everything.

 

Felt good to get back in it though :clap:

[Pat_McCrotch 0]

Aren't unproductive days on Corrado's annoying :(

 

Keep at it, you'll get there eventually.

[CoxyLaad 0]

vag com is essential in these situations.

 

get the fault codes read, and cleared and see what comes back. Also if you havent already done so then you need to run the ecu reset procedure through vag com. You will also need to do the throttle adaptation if you havent done that either, as you have fitted a different accelerator pedal.

 

Are you using the original clocks? or the R32 ones? the water temp senders are different for each motor, so if you are running the corrado clocks then you will need to stick a corrado vr water temp sender in the engine too - luckily there is a blank along side the R32 sender (which is still needed becuase that one also talks to the ecu)

 

Have you got the speed signal wired up to the ecu? that is essential or it will through a boat load of spurious errors up.

 

so:

1. clear faults

2. throttle adaptation

3. ecu reset.

 

thems the important bits.

[Kevin Bacon 5]

That's all been bypassed, we don't need the vehicle speed signal.

 

He's using the original Corrado clocks and it's corresponding dash temp sender (the yellow one) but it just needs the attention of someone that's better at wiring than me, i.e. Vince :lol:

 

Gimme a standalone anyday, I can wire one of those in in a day, but Motronic just baffles me.

[CoxyLaad 0]

what do you mean by bypassed?

the motronic ecu definaetely needs the speed signal, otherwise it will throw errors. It uses it in part of its engine load calculations and stuff.

 

definately need the vag com on it.

[Kevin Bacon 5]

The ECU has been setup to run in a MK2/Corrado platform using the original clocks and gearbox and Vince did whatever was necessary in the software. It's already been proven to work like that in the Green MK2 he did.

 

The last time I checked VAG-COM, the missing vehicle speed signal wasn't one of the errors in the list.

 

It needs a speed signal for the ESP, YAW and other related stuff, but not for engine load. It knows what that is from Mass air flow and manifold pressure signals.

 

I think the best thing for it now is to get it to a workshop with the right equipment for fault finding.

[CoxyLaad 0]

hmmm interesting!

 

I wonder what vince has done? whether the clocks get the speed signal or not is irrelevant, its the ecu that wants it. I wonder if hes wired it into the loom already? The speed signal doesnt produce a direct error as such, but you get camshaft position errors and the like. I think its supposed to use it for the variable valve time, eg open differently at different speeds and stuff, in which case if it doesnt have it, it will get confused. But as you say if vince has already done the conversion on a number of other cars then he must have sorted it.

 

I am fairly certain the throttle adaptation will sort the lumpy idling out, and an ecu reset will start it learning again from scratch.

Might be worth a try before you start ploughing money into garages.

 

My car is now completely error free by the way :wink: (just thought i would slip that in lol )

[Kevin Bacon 5]

God knows what he did mate. ME7 is very clever and I know roughly 5% of what Vince does in that area! Get yourself down south and give us a hand mate :D :lol:

 

Good point on the throttle adaptation, we didn't do any of that kind of stuff. I think the main issue he's got is with the lambdas. It has that feel and smell about it but VAG-COM is the first port of call!

[CoxyLaad 0]

well my lambdas were both knackered too. they mustn't like being stood for ages.

 

Mine was miss firing and allsorts with the old lambdas in it.

[_leon_ 0]

You will also need to do the throttle adaptation if you havent done that either, as you have fitted a different accelerator pedal.

 

CoxyLaad would you mind explaining what that is please? I'm not familiar whats involved

[CoxyLaad 0]

its the setup of the drive by wire pedal.

 

the ecu has to recalibrate new pedals to match them with the throttle body, and so it knows its limits.

In vag com, engine module, basic settings, and i think its 05 or something (i forget) to perform throttle adaptation. it then does it, and you are done!

 

piece of piss really

[_leon_ 0]

its the setup of the drive by wire pedal.

 

the ecu has to recalibrate new pedals to match them with the throttle body, and so it knows its limits.

In vag com, engine module, basic settings, and i think its 05 or something (i forget) to perform throttle adaptation. it then does it, and you are done!

 

piece of piss really

 

thanks a lot :)

[Kevin Bacon 5]

The ECU does that every time you switch the ignition on, which is what the throttle plate clonking and whining noise is all about. We also pressed the pedal with the ign on and there were definite 'stop' clonks at each end of the pedal travel :D

 

Coxy's right though, it's a good idea to run through the adapatation process so that the ECU is happy with the pedal and throttle syncronisation between min and max!

[CoxyLaad 0]

the adaptation process definately does something else in addition to the ign on process, as mine was running like a bag of poo until i did that.

 

give it a run, it wont do any harm!

 

when you check the measuring blocks on the throttle position, you can see what its trying to do, and the idle setup stems from there. It needs to know when the throttle is at zero pecent so it can flip it into idle mode.

 

Anyways I am sure its a minor thing to sort out. its running and thats the main thing!

[Kevin Bacon 5]

Cheers for the advice mate :salute:

 

That will definitely be the next thing we do!

 

Rob's got to get it insured, MOT'd and taxed (IIRC) as yet, so there's no mega rush!

[CoxyLaad 0]

Cheers for the advice mate :salute:

 

That will definitely be the next thing we do!

 

Rob's got to get it insured, MOT'd and taxed (IIRC) as yet, so there's no mega rush!

 

bend over Rob, and prepare to take it up the butt from your insurance company lol

[swiftkid 1]

when i got a quote i thought it wasn't too bad, £700 fully comp i think from adrian flux. hope you get it sorted soon though!

[herisites 0]

Cheers for the info Coxy mate, hopefully the throttle calibration will make the response a little smoother :shock: I'm just gunna get it insured this week and take it to Stealth, we can have a good natter about a few things then tbh.

 

And yeah I'm ready to be raped by the insurance companies :( I haven't even braved getting a quote yet :lol: Hopefully it won't be too much, my renewal for the car with the standard VR6 lump was £450 fully comp, and I can get insured on a brand new R32 for £800 fully comp which is bloody good considering I'm only 23 :clap: 4 years ncb help with things though.

 

I'm expecting around the £700-800 mark tbh which I was kind of expecting. If it's loads more I don't know what I'll do as just bought my first house so things will be tight at ~£80pm :eek: I'll just have to keep using my dad's audi and have the C on low mileage or use my dad as the main driver or something, I'll figure it out!

[herisites 0]

Couple of pics I took yesterday after it's first wash in aaaaaages, I forgot how lush these cars look when minty clean 8)

[_leon_ 0]

Damn that looks good!

[herisites 0]

bend over Rob, and prepare to take it up the butt from your insurance company lol

 

Yep my arse is pretty sore after the first quote:

 

HIC - £1250 fully comp, but that was full whack with a cherry on top.

 

How much do people think my car would be worth? As most these 'specialists' agree to give the true value of the car including mods and not just measly market value. I thought in the region of £5k with the market as it is, but could be more :shrug:

 

Next try, Brentacre, they have great reviews soo touch wood they come in cheaper.

[Jim 2]

Will it be your daily mate, or will it be a weekend / sunshine car?

[coullstar 0]

I initially was with HIC on an agreed value policy but after looking at it wasnt really that good. If someone smacked into me I would only get market value for a VR apparently. Brentacre were better. I also limited my mileage which does help.

[herisites 0]

Well it's going to be my daily really, I don't see the point in doing all this and only taking it out weekends :shrug: plus the engine has only done 6k miles so not like I need to keep the miles off it :lol: But I can see what you are saying Jim, obviously if it wasn't a daily and I had it for personal use only and with limited miles then insurance would be half but then I'd still need to insure and run another cheap car so might as well spend that on the C and have an R32 daily! 8)

 

I've still got time, there's not rush, I'll get the ins companies fighting against each other! :lol:

[Jim 2]

I'm asking really because I got insanely cheap insurance with a classic specialist for my Corrado this year.. the deal is basically:

 

* 4000 miles per year

* All mods declared

* When it's at home, it's garaged between 10pm - 6am

* Agreed valuation (which I must get round to sorting!!)

* There was no requirement for an alarm / immobiliser

* You can't apply (or earn) no claims bonus.

* Covered for non-competetive rally (i.e. track stuff - but only non-competition!!)

* European cover

* Breakdown

 

And all for...? £200. The company seem really decent and my boss has insured his 3 Scirocco's with them for years. He's had to have a payout for some work in the past and they paid up promptly and were very flexible regarding getting the work done.