Word of warning on Aftermarket alloy Radiators

[fendervg 32]

1 hour ago, Keyo said:

Seems daft by the manufacturers- a gauge should be a gauge and what it reads should be gospel. What about the VDO gauges I might get a coolant temperature for my Votex instead of oil temp which I have om the MFA anyway,  The corrado has a sensor just for the binnacle I believe from memory so might be accurate to a certain degree duh duh bad joke sorry. 

Yep, blue is for ECU, yellow is for dash, and black/brown for fan control module - you can swap the ECU/gauge ones over when troubleshooting if you think you have a duff sensor.

[Dox 23]

1 hour ago, Keyo said:

Seems daft by the manufacturers- a gauge should be a gauge and what it reads should be gospel. What about the VDO gauges I might get a coolant temperature for my Votex instead of oil temp which I have om the MFA anyway,  The corrado has a sensor just for the binnacle I believe from memory so might be accurate to a certain degree duh duh bad joke sorry. 

Manufacturers want you to believe their product is so good temp never differs Artic to Sierra..

You could put a 2 way switch and measure both oil and water temp with the gauge? 

[1xshaunx1 27]

Pretty sure when Talking to Vince and watching what goes off when he plugs all his stuff in for a Dino/diagnostics. 

oil temp on cluster pretty accurate

water temp on cluster 8-10 degrees lower on cluster than actual

Merry Christmas everyone !!!

[Keyo 47]

9 minutes ago, 1xshaunx1 said:

Pretty sure when Talking to Vince and watching what goes off when he plugs all his stuff in for a Dino/diagnostics. 

oil temp on cluster pretty accurate

water temp on cluster 8-10 degrees lower on cluster than actual

Merry Christmas everyone !!!

Merry Xmas everyone . Does the oil temp come from the sensor in the side of the manifold or is it the third sensor next to the low and high oil pressure.  

What is the max safe temp on the coolant gauge then about 110 then really by the sounds of it- I imagine your car can get hot Shaun with a Turbo ?

Edited December 25, 2020 by Keyo

[1xshaunx1 27]

Off the top of the oil filter housing for oil temp and pressure. 
you shouldn’t ever really have stage 3 fans come in which I think is the black sensor on the thermostat housing 115 degrees shouldn’t get over that really. 
Mine having a turbo does get warm quick and hot if you are pushing it, to keep temps down I’ve fitted upgraded 12” fans I can manually switch on any time and a mocal oil cooler added on to the original oil cooler set up. 
I also run turbo oil which can take more heat. On a motorway thrash water can sit around 100 and oil 110 to 115. A lot depends on outside temp though and weather or not I put the fans on. 
But in this weather I’ll get similar temps to you maybe 90 on my cluster Pottering about. In the summer though my fans come on as soon as I’ve idled a min at a junction. 

[oneohtwo 8]

This thread peaked my interest from my rad search a couple of years back, and I thought I'd have a look around what with the Hellas now unavailable. Stumbled on these Nissens rads, on Amazon of all places!

Nissens 65286 Radiator, engine cooling: Amazon.co.uk: Car & Motorbike

Not sure how they are in stock on Amazon but not on Autodoc, etc... but it is the correct Nissens part number for the rado. Might be an option if the Dasis doesn't work out chap. I read on some other forum that Nissens may have made some OEM rads (Edit: Just noticed Bruno mentioned this on this thread as well), not sure about that but they seem similar to Hella in quality as far as I can tell. In fact the picture on the Amazon listing is actually a Hella/AKG. They both seem to have a thicker core than the other pattern rads - 35mm instead of 25. You can see on pg1 of my build thread the difference in thickness between the Hella and a cheapo GSF pattern part. The Dasis you have looks to have the thinner core, but the fin design and quality looks more like the Hella, so hopefully it's a good one.

Bad luck about that ally one though...

Edited December 31, 2020 by oneohtwo

[Keyo 47]

2 hours ago, oneohtwo said:

This thread peaked my interest from my rad search a couple of years back, and I thought I'd have a look around what with the Hellas now unavailable. Stumbled on these Nissens rads, on Amazon of all places!

Nissens 65286 Radiator, engine cooling: Amazon.co.uk: Car & Motorbike

Not sure how they are in stock on Amazon but not on Autodoc, etc... but it is the correct Nissens part number for the rado. Might be an option if the Dasis doesn't work out chap. I read on some other forum that Nissens may have made some OEM rads, not sure about that but they seem similar to Hella in quality as far as I can tell. In fact the picture on the Amazon listing is actually a Hella/AKG. They both seem to have a thicker core than the other pattern rads - 35mm instead of 25. You can see on pg1 of my build thread the difference in thickness between the Hella and a cheapo GSF pattern part. The Dasis you have looks to have the thinner core, but the fin design and quality looks more like the Hella, so hopefully it's a good one.

Bad luck about that ally one though...

Thanks chap. 

Interesting the picture on the advert actually has a Hella sticker on it - Nissens is a good brand for sure. I would be quizzing the seller and make sure I was ordering as described and not end up with a Dasis for double the price. Core depth is 34mm on the Dasis so pretty much stock - same depth core as the Nissens one on advert on Amazon.  Infact the measurements are the same as the dasis on Amazon and on autodoc says nissens is 35mm core. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Keyo

[oneohtwo 8]

I saw the Hella sticker as well - the Hella ones were made by AKG so perhaps they were making identical ones for Nissens as well? It's sold by Amazon themselves so you'd hope they wouldn't be misrepresenting a listing.

You're right the Dasis core is listed as 34mm on Autodoc - but then they also have the core dimensions as 630x310x24 which threw me. Don't suppose you have it to hand to do a quick measurement out of interest?

[Keyo 47]

Its on the car and just measured best I could the core is 24 mm - so youre right on that chap - i take it that is the depth of the top of the metal fin frame. Pissed off now not as if I had a lot of choice at the time but does annoy the shite out of me 😅 . 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Keyo

[Keyo 47]

23 minutes ago, oneohtwo said:

I saw the Hella sticker as well - the Hella ones were made by AKG so perhaps they were making identical ones for Nissens as well? It's sold by Amazon themselves so you'd hope they wouldn't be misrepresenting a listing.

You're right the Dasis core is listed as 34mm on Autodoc - but then they also have the core dimensions as 630x310x24 which threw me. Don't suppose you have it to hand to do a quick measurement out of interest?

It will not let me post question on amazon as not purchased from there before  . I tried to post.      Hi is this a Nissens or Hella radiator as described or in fact a Dasis brand- thanks 

Can someone who purchased off Amazon try ? Cheers. 

[oneohtwo 8]

Apologies! I know the feeling... 

Unfortunately the question and answer thing on Amazon is only answered by other customers (as far as I am aware) so we could post the question but I doubt we'd ever get an answer. It's not an independent seller either, so there isn't one to contact. The upshot of it being sold by Amazon themselves is they'd have a no quibble return policy if it isn't a genuine product.

Having a look at their website Dasis specialise in cooling applications so should know what they're doing, and they manufacture in the EU, so I would have thought it's fine.

 

 

[Keyo 47]

41 minutes ago, oneohtwo said:

Apologies! I know the feeling... 

Unfortunately the question and answer thing on Amazon is only answered by other customers (as far as I am aware) so we could post the question but I doubt we'd ever get an answer. It's not an independent seller either, so there isn't one to contact. The upshot of it being sold by Amazon themselves is they'd have a no quibble return policy if it isn't a genuine product.

Having a look at their website Dasis specialise in cooling applications so should know what they're doing, and they manufacture in the EU, so I would have thought it's fine.

 

 

Just out of interest there is a box you can send with mis described item - so I sent that over saying Hella picture but Nissens in description please confirm manufacturer - see if we hear back off them . 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Keyo

[Cressa 44]

22 hours ago, Keyo said:

Thanks chap. 

Interesting the picture on the advert actually has a Hella sticker on it - Nissens is a good brand for sure. I would be quizzing the seller and make sure I was ordering as described and not end up with a Dasis for double the price. Core depth is 34mm on the Dasis so pretty much stock - same depth core as the Nissens one on advert on Amazon.  Infact the measurements are the same as the dasis on Amazon and on autodoc says nissens is 35mm core. 

Just measured Hella one. The core is approximately 34mm 

[Keyo 47]

On 12/12/2020 at 10:50 AM, Keyo said:

So my car is in the body shop for some winter loving. Bonnet off plus front and rear bumpers spray paint (stone chips) + all new bumpers irons brackets, clips and bolts. 

To my horror got a call off the body shop and said you need a new radiator. Picture below  of these chinesium alloy radiator (it was the only off the shelf option at the time 3 years ago- Im not one to cheap out on parts. ) All these alloy rads look the same but have different branding on the graphics of advert. You can see the frame has failed and bowed at the bottom and also leaking. 

Im hoping this radiator from German company Dasis which is OE fitment is better then the alloy one. Pictures below - I was thinking about getting an alloy neck fitting but decided to go with a vag one as im sure I have seen mixed reviews on the billet ones ? 

Let me fit the Dasis radiator and I will give a review of fitment at least. Can get one from Autodoc for £100 or an English seller that delivers next day for £120.00. 

 

https://www.dasis.de/en/

 

 

Another thing I have noticed is the Dasis has 17 coolant channels but they seem larger I think with a bigger gap then the Hella which has 23 or 24 tighter together-  will have to wait for a really hot day next summer to give it a proper test. 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Keyo

[Keyo 47]

I have fired the gun and purchased the amazon radiator for the greater good of my ocd - getting delivered on Tuesday will report back. If its not 34mm will be going straight back for sure. Front ends got to come off anyway if it is a mythical Hella rad. 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Keyo

[Cressa 44]

Front end off again 😁 Noooo

[Keyo 47]

Just now, Cressa said:

Front end off again 😁 Noooo

Yes mate pain in the ass for sure especially when you have a freshly painted bumper 😂  Be very interesting to see what rad turns up  on Tuesday. 

[1xshaunx1 27]

2 hours ago, Keyo said:

Yes mate pain in the ass for sure especially when you have a freshly painted bumper 😂  Be very interesting to see what rad turns up  on Tuesday. 

 

🤞

[oneohtwo 8]

23 hours ago, Keyo said:

I have fired the gun and purchased the amazon radiator for the greater good of my ocd - getting delivered on Tuesday will report back. If its not 34mm will be going straight back for sure. Front ends got to come off anyway if it is a mythical Hella rad. 

Fair play mate, at least you'll know either way. And it's a bit of a win-win. If its a knock off send it right back and you know you've got the best available in the Dasis, but if it is the genuine article you've got one of the few remaining Nissens/Hella rads.

[Keyo 47]

23 minutes ago, oneohtwo said:

Fair play mate, at least you'll know either way. And it's a bit of a win-win. If its a knock off send it right back and you know you've got the best available in the Dasis, but if it is the genuine article you've got one of the few remaining Nissens/Hella rads.

Exactly that chap. Knowing my luck it will be a Topran, 🤣  If it has AKG on it  i will be happy as same as Hella. 

Edited January 1, 2021 by Keyo

[Bruno 4]

Sorry. Have been on long hospital shifts. This morning I measured the Hella we've got. It is 34mm exactly. The joints are soldered.

Looking at this thread, it seems that there are two Hella stamped rads, one of copper, the other in aluminium. The former is soldered, the latter in fold- pressed. Both have the same end caps.

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[Keyo 47]

5 hours ago, Bruno said:

Sorry. Have been on long hospital shifts. This morning I measured the Hella we've got. It is 34mm exactly. The joints are soldered.

Looking at this thread, it seems that there are two Hella stamped rads, one of copper, the other in aluminium. The former is soldered, the latter in fold- pressed. Both have the same end caps.

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Im waiting for the Amazon radiator to turn up Bruno so we can all see which brand it is and measurements. 

[Bruno 4]

Ha! This will be interesting.

[oneohtwo 8]

Has it arrived? I'm on tenter-hooks here!

[Keyo 47]

7 minutes ago, oneohtwo said:

Has it arrived? I'm on tenter-hooks here!

Not yet chap has not even been dispatched so maybe the first sign there is an issue.  Its worth a go have nothing to loose.