Andy665

Currently all dealerships, irrespective of manufacturer, are complaining that they are not seeing enough potential customers - I have always said that that it total crap - your experience clearly demonstrates that i'm probably not wrong - most sales execs could not sell to save their lives - most are mere order takers.

Extremely fit for purpose for intended market - nice to see a manufacturer being brave and thinking about potential customers in its home market. Will never be sold outside of India irrespective of what Tata themselves say - the cost of re-engineering it to pass emissions and safety standards almost certainly rule it out. Got to admit its better than the only other affordable mode of transport for most Indian families - a moped

Viewed and bought a Saab today 2000 W plate 9-5 Estate, 2.3T Aero - so just the 250bhp to play with Full Saab service history and absolutely immaculate both inside and out. 115k on the clock but you'd never tell, either from the way it looks or the way it drives. Full cream heated leather, CD, alarm, all round electric windows, r/c locking, trip computer, cruise control, electronic dual zone climate control etc Trader would not budge on price but did say it would come with a full MOT, he'll get the only dent I could find popped out, 12 months warranty, 6 months tax and a full tank of fuel All in all not a bad buy for £3,900

With your permission I would like to send your post to their Area Manager who I know quite well - hopefully it will get some attention and used to highlight to the retailer that this is not the way to treat a potential customer. It hacks me off as this is the industry I work in and when people act like this I take it very personally - seriously hacked off myself now

Damned Pistonheads classifieds has thrown up another car for consideration that I'm now going to view before the Saab tomorrow - pretty rare, not got a great badge on the nose but is very highly regarded and the car itself looks like an absolute minter - nice V6 in it too

Jim - this is the crazy thing. It was pouring down when he turned up so obviously the car was wet. I offered to get the C out, put the Bora in and dry it off so he could examine it, he said there was no need as he could see it was immaculate. I was genuinely not aware of the stonechips, if they were of any size I'd have noticed them and pointed them out.

Relieved that it looks like I am being reasonable :lol: , you can't do anything but doubt yourself sometimes.

JMR is now a stockist of Rotrex and is about to fit one to his 16VG60

The reason that a Volkswagen dealer wants to get you in through the door is that they are targetted on NC1 (new customer contacts) - they have bonus money hanfging on generating a given number of new contacts over each quarter of the year. Trust me, NO Volkswagen dealer has any data on the Scirocco

Please bear with me on this :lol: Had someone enquire about the Bora on Monday, asked lots of questions but said he couldn't get down to see the car until later in the week - I promised him that although I would let other people view the car I would not sell until he had come down to see it I had a viewing on Tuesday and the bloke offered me the full asking price, he obviously knew beforehand that someone else had first refusal on the car. The bloke that did have first refusal came down yesterday to view and bought the car after taking it out for a drive, despite the first viewer offering full asking price I offered to either reduce the price by £100 and throw in a pair on unfitted Angel Eyes or put a new MOT on it - he took the £100 and headlights as he wanted to take the car there and then despite the MOT only having a month to run. I advised him that I was not aware of any faults on the car and if it did fail it would only be on normal wear and tear items that you would expect on any 8 year old, 68k mile cars. Received a call from him tonight because: 1. It failed the MOT on one front suspension bush and one rear suspension bush were perished 2. He has found two stonechips on the bonnet that need touching in Although he did not specifically ask it was clear that he was angling for some more money off. Am I wrong / unreasonable to have stated quite firmly that two stonechips on a car of that age and mileage is far less than you would normally expect and two suspension bushes is hardly a disaster for an MOT

Jim - don't give up Have you seen the Fiat 500 configurator Jim, pretty good site http://www.Fiat.co.uk - just click on "Explore the new 500" on the right hand side Can you see yourself manning the Fiat 500 owners club stand at the National Classic Car Show in years to come though :lol:

I certainly don't think it will be as special as the Corrado, it should drive very well, being based on the MkV Golf but I doubt there will be a V6 version - that would put it in direct competition with the TT, think the overlap with the TT will start and end with the 2.0T version

No Volkswagen Retailer will have any pictures, they are currently embargoed until the Geneva Motor Show - neither will any Retailer have any details on the car, you will probably know more than they do

Final production version revealed at Geneva Motor Show in March, UK sales start in August, most dealers will be supplied with about 10 cars for 2008 so about 2,500 cars max for the year Anyone interested in buying needs to get a deposit down quick, if it replicates the Eos situation most of the years allocation will be pre-sold by the time its actually in the showrooms

Not a diesel lover and as car will be only be doing 8-9k per year the fuel saving argument isn't there either.

You obviously missed number 142

Just pulled this list of Saab mileages from one of the Saab forums, some really big numbers on some pretty late model cars :lol: 1. Andy (b8alk): 1995 GM 900 SE TURBO COUPE 2.0 =100,000 MILES 2. arum (arumdevil): 1988 classic 900 T16 3dr 2.0 = 250,000 miles!!! 3. Zaphod Gracie 1973 96 V4 10,400 miles (that's not a mistype) 4. Zaphod Swiftmobile 1998 2.0 litre turbo auto converto 49,800 miles. 5. Scotty Mc 9-3 TiD - 135,000 6. Scotty Mc 99 Turbo - 45,000 7. ToneDepear 9-3 TiD - 90,000 8. ToneDepear 1985 90 - 108,279 9. Fliptopbin: c900 T16S - 147,000 10. Soulhand 9000 Anni - 156,000 (updated 2/5) 11. Soulhand 1992 c900 - 163,000 (updated 2/5) 12.Dhekalia 1996 900S 77,000 miles 13.Baronbradders '89 T16s 201,000 14.Baronbradders '92 9000 225,000 15.Saabstudent '92 T16s 155,050 16.Peterbonney - 9-3 2.0i "Vert", 68,000 17. BlueSaab 1990 900i16v 169,000. '94 9000 Cse Lpt 116,000 18. Myk (Oberon) '96 9000 cs lpt 146,653 19. Saul 1990 c900 T16 - 213,000 20. i want an aero 1998 9-5 134,000 21. Darrylstrong '90 C900 183,000 22. BillJ '94 9000 CSE 173,000 23. BillJ '96 9000 Aero 203,000 24. BillJ '91 900 T16S 179,000 25. BillJ 1985 90 108,279 (tee-hee) 26. Parish '02 9-3 SE 101,605 27. sgould '02 9-5 Aero 82,000 28. MaryB(Mrs sg) '02 9-3SS 20,000 29. Saabsational '00 9-5 114,500 29b. Saabsational '89 c900i 111,000 30. Jimmy wynn '99 9-5 Aero 186,000 31. Gadgetgricey '94 Gm900 Conv 104,000 32. AdvancedRoadcraft '92 9000 186,181 33. Ben '89 900 16VS 192,000 34. Cheq '92 9000CSE 2.3 Turbot 202,000 35. Oldman '00 9-5 58,265 36. Trig 9000se 2.3T 180,000 37. Trig 9000Aero 185,000 38. Trig 9000 Anniversary lpt 78,000 39. Trig 900 se 2.3 130,000 40. Nev '00 9-5 Aero 87,877 41. Nev '90 900 Carlsson 180,447 42. Starfish 9000 FPT 2.3 Anniversary - 201,000 43. IanD '97 900S 148,297 44. jaydoubleyou '87 900 8v 106,000 45. Craigdeluxe '92 900 SE lpt 152,000 46. Ropes64 '92 900 S Aero - 169,000 47. Ropes64 '93 900 SE - 100,000 48. Ropes64 '96 NG 900 SE Turbo Coupe - 117,000 49. ylee's aeromonster 255,000 50. son_of _a_coyote 900 t16s 212,000 51. other_son_of_a_coyote cs carly 223,000 52. chief_coyote 9-3ss 'vert 14,000 53. Paddy2bsure '98 9-5 2.0 Auto 125,000 54. mrd2525 1992 CD Carlsson 206000 55. mrd2525 1997 9000 Aero 200000 56. mrd2525 1990 900 Carlsson 216000 57. mrd2525 1987 900T16S convertible 166000 summer use only... 58. Paco 2002 9-5 Aero 101,952 59. Peterdon 2006 9-3sc Aero 15000 60. Peterdon 1997 9000CSE Anni 161000 - now business partner's 61. Microcat36 1995 9000 3.0 V6 Auto Griffin 134,000 62. Microcat36 1995 9000 3.0 V6 CSE Auto 98,000 63. Microcat36 1995 9000 3.0 V6 CSE Auto 87,000 (getting head gasket done) 64. Microcat36 1993 9000 2.3 FPT CSE Auto 218,000 65. Microcat36 1991 9000 2.0i CSE 177,000 66. Microcat36 1983 900 t8 92,000 67. Microcat36 1989 900 t16 115,000 68. TFatC c900 Carly 178,000 69. TFatC 9000 n/a CSE 204,000 70. AdamH '99 9-5 2.3SE 118,000 71. dg22's 93 - 52,856 72. Fred900 '92 900XS 174,000 73. Stuart 1996 9000 Aero 120,000 74. Owen 1993 c900T16s 173,400 75. LoganSaab MY96 9000 Lpt (tweaked) CSE Auto 110,000 76. Ade9-3 2002 9-3 TID 138,151 77. Hugh '97 NG 900 SE T 109,579 78. Ed (tedward_9000) '93 9000 LPT 144,410 79. Ed (tedward_9000) '95 9000 Aero 141,362 80.GrahamL 2stroke96, 1963, 29,800 81.GrahamL 99GL , 1983, 151,000 82.GrahamL 9000S-2.3, 1991, 83,200 83. Heli '75 95V4 - circa 130,000 (clocks buried somewhere in the "shed") 84. Heli '78 99 Turbo - 131,000 85. Heli '96 9000 Aero - 120,000 86. Heli '01 9-5 Aero Wagon - 41,000. 87. Billie S. 96 NG900 SET 178,800 88. Greenphotos 2002 9-5 Vector 133,000 89. Saabbhoy 1997 900cse 106,300 90. Drivebuy 1996 S Vert - 82,000 clicks! 91. Nutcase 1983 99 GL - 177,771 (as of 31/8/06). I forget what the turbo has done, about 83,000. 92. Rich B '88 900 T16 Conv - 220500 93. 99turboman 79 99 turbo 3dr - 155,000 94. 99turboman 83 900 turbo 5dr- 156,000 95. 99turboman 87 900 turbo 3dr US spec - 102000 96. 99turboman 88 900 turbo T16S Conv - 94,000 97. 99turboman 89 900 turbo 2dr Aero - 216,000 98. 99turboman 91 9000 CDE 2.3 - 196,000 99. 99turboman 92 900 turbo 3dr Aero - 174,000 100. 99turboman 96 9000 2.3 FPT CSE - 98,000 101. 99turboman 97 900GM 2.0T - 119,000 102. 99turboman 98 900GM 2.0 S - 153,000 ( + works maestro with 191,000 miles ) 103. Twinkle 01 95 - 138,000 104. Mr Toes 99 95 Grif - 110,000 105. Rols - 51 93 Hot Aero - 78,441 106. Sarge '97 9000CSE 2.3lpt 126,000 107. 900V6 - '95 900Se 2.5V6 97900 miles. 108. johnh- 1998 9-5 2.3LPT 142,000 109. georgen - 1995 GM 900 SE COUPE 2.0 FPT - 100,125 Miles 110. susie40 - 1997 900S Convertible 81,000 miles 111. heavy_t - 1987 900i 4-door 95,000 miles 112. macpilot 1994 9000 2.3 lpt 192320 (bought with 191k on clock !) 113. Inspector Gadget 1989 C900i 141410 114. Inspector Gadget 1993 C900 Ruby 175492 115. Aero919 (Ric) 9000 Carlsson 281000 116. maude_wynn - 1998 9-5 - 120,000 117. pda 1987 T8 123500 118. 900TURBO - 1994 GM 900 SE 2.0ltr Turbo -177,000 119. tommo2105 - 2000 9-5 2.0 SE - 159,000 120. sheer_saabing_pleasure (model??) ...152,235 121. the capitan 90(0?) carlsson 191,000 miles 122. DarkStarr: 2001 9-3 Cab 80,000 miles 123. Jim & Martin: 1985 900i - 131,150 miles 124. SaabExe: '89 2.0 C900 T8 Special = 163,693 miles 125.berna_wynn: '89 2.0 900i 113,000 miles 126.Chris-k 2005 95 2.0t vector estate 17.000 127. Slammed 66 '88 T16S 167,000 128. Tone Depear '86 900 Tii 144,444 129. Techno '93 9000 Aero 164,000 miles young 130. Si '88 900 Turbo S, just hit 180K 131. Si '95 900 XS 245+K 132. Daffd C900 T16 '87 237,000 133. Sgt. Pinback '93 900S RagTop: 270,982 miles 135 Dr Paul C900 T8 '89 54,000 miles 136 Dr Paul 9000CSE 2.3 FPT '95 113,500 miles 137 Dr Paul C900 8V '90 87,000 miles 138 MikeHewitt 1990 9000 Carlsson 200,008 miles 139 John-saab 1985 8v C900 turbo 82,000 miles 140 john-saab 1962 bullnose 96 54,000 miles (genuine) 141 john-saab 1985 8v C900i 102,000 miles 142 Saab Workshop 9000CS full turbo 304000 (1 owner - stunning s/h) 143 bigjl '98 9-5 2.0 SE 134740 miles 144 Sausage 1995 GM 900 SE TURBO COUPE 2.0 - 107800 miles 145 Mikeloadsasaabs 1994 9000CSE 2.3t 162,000 146 Mikeloadsasaabs 1999 9-5 2.0t (192bhp) 169,500 147.keanan06 2002 aero HOT 122,000 148 Trollbooster 1989 T16S 139 000 149 Trollbooster 1975 96V4 28 200 (not a typo) 150 Trollbooster 1995 CSE 200 402 151 Trollbooster 1981 900GL 42 000 or so 152 Trollbooster 1991 900 'vert 131000 153 Trollbooster 2001 9-3 110 000 (almost forgot I had that one ) 154 Dazzo 1996 9K Aero 180,000 155 leon 1989 900i auto lux 3dr 245,000 156 ianrobbo 1989 T16S 201,000 157 Nic Cooper 900 Carlsson 260,976 158 Nic Cooper 900 anniversary 279183 but has done 10,000 more clock change 159 Steve Lewis 900 2 door t16s 199,000 160 tobyfield 1998 9000 Anniversary 2.3FPT 103,900 161 big_ginge21 - 1996 9000 CSE 2.0 LPT - 110,196 162 Zelandeth - 1988 900i 8v 2 door Automatic - 124,350 163 Turbonut - DAN 982V 99 Turbo 169,532 164 Turbonut - B600 SVR C900 T16 Aero 134,020 165 Nomad - '07 9-3 54 Miles 166 900TURBO - 1994 NG900Turbo SE-179000 167 AndyD - 1990 900i 3dr 135,000 168 AndyD - 1996 9000 cse turbo 182,561 169 JG - 1997 9000 CS lpt Auto 90,000 170 CHRISE900T 900SE TURBO '97 95000 171 Jim & Martin - 1993 9000CSE 2.3 Turbo. 150'250 172 GriffIan - 1999 9-5 Griffin 91,500 173 ColdestMoon - 2001 9-3 2.0T 104,993 174 MUI7087 - 1996 900 SE 128,750 175 S16AAB - 1997 9-3 SE (HOT) 56,210 176 S26AAB - 1997 9-3 SE 68,000 177 Petrol_blue - 2001 9-5 Aero 62,000 178 MrMoonyMan - 1989 900 T16s 130,000 179 Lukey - 2000 9-3 Lpt man S 107,800 miles 180 CS_Carlsson - 1991 9000 CS Carlsson 168,000 miles 181 the capitan c900 carlsson red 119,400 182 Sausage - 1999 9-3 SE Sport Coupe 143091 183 Pug205GRD - 1994 9000 CDE 2.0LPT? 101,971k 30k of this done in the last 10 years! 184 saaby 1988 8v turbo silver 149,863_________________ 185.Steve9000Aero-1996- Just broken her first 80,000 miles in. 186.Mrs 9000Aero's C900 Ruby 135,000 miles. 187.Mrs 9000Aero's 1990 C900 Convertible 146,000 miles. 188.Saab_9-3_Boy - 2000 9-3 lpt SE Turbo 5 DR Hatch Met Blue 129,000 miles 189.Aero919 1990 9000 Carlsson No.1 210734 miles (50K since March 2006) clutch gone today! 190 Aero919 1997 9000 Aero 173000 miles 191 Rippling 1995 9000 aero 185000 192 Elvira 1996 900s 150000 miles 193 Gaz_Tid 2001 Tid silver 92000 miles 194 fiverankins (mrs) 1996 NG900 35.000 miles 195 fiverankins 1992 900 vert 121.000 miles 196 robinmorley 2000 9-5 Aero wagon 139,000 miles 197 demic77 1991 900i SE 149000 miles

Yes, both partners are from a Saab main dealer background, spent an hour on the phone today - came across as very decent. Said that Saabs tend to be owned by people who don't want to drive the default choice BMW, Audi and Mercedes. Apparently Saab have the highest customer retention rate of any manufacturer in the UK and that they tend to be kept for longer and for higher mileages than other comparable cars.

Been to have a look at the lower mileage auto Saab this afternoon as a benchmark - very clean and tidy but the auto is definitely not for me - also the dealer was just a used car dealer, prefer to buy from a specialist to be honest. Gives me a good guide for when I look at the higher mileage manual Aero on Saturday afternoon though :lol:, this is the place I'm looking to buy from - just put down a refundable deposit on the car to secure it until Sat http://www.tradesaab.co.uk/

Higher mileage Saab is up at £3900 but bloke selling it is a top bloke, independant Saab specialist who has been happy to give me lots of advice and guidance. Seems like a well maintained Saab 9-5 will go to the moon and back, he runs an identical car that has just clocked quarter of a million miles and is still on original turbo and clutch

Bora has unexpectedly been collected this morning, now need a replacement quickly. Two choices: 1. BMW 528i (192bhp) SE Touring manual reg'd Jul 99 - metallic silver, full BMWSH, sat nav, rear dvd system, Xenons, beige sports leather seats, 126k on the clock, absolutely immaculate, price new was 48k, will come with 12 months MOT, 12 months tax - £4,000 or 2. Saab 9-5 2.3 Aero Estate (250bhp) auto, reg'd 2000, full Saab SH, leather metallic silver, cruise etc, 49k on the clock, again absolutely immaculate, will come with warranty and 12 months MOT - £4600 or 3. Saab 9-5 2.3 Aero Estate (250bhp), manual, reg'd 1999, full Saab SH, dark met blue, leather, cruise etc, 115k on the clock, 12 months MOT, 12 months warranty £3,900 Just arranged to see a car that I hadn't previously considered - mind you they did only make 155 of them - 2000 plate Mondeo ST200 estate - absolute mint by all accounts - only 2 owners and 41k from new

Corozin - totally agreed - when I bought the Nugget G60 I got John (JMR) to do exactly as you have said, anything that John suggested was replaced was replaced. John (as a qualified MOT tester) was very thorough and took the cautious approach, if it was suspect it was replaced - might have cost me more initially but seems to have worked out for me - 100% reliability over 35,000 miles and coming up to 4 years. Anyway, I'm glad you're OK and the car is repairable - could have been so much worse

Liking the Countach. Just bought an awesome Pagani Zonda Spider - level of detail is awesome for a 1/43 model - mind you, most Spark models are excellent in this respect

Jim - a challenge for you - find me one within my 5.5k budget and I'll buy it :lol:

Don't think that another C fits the bill as being a practical family estate car :lol: